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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 22:15    Post subject: LICENSE PAYED BUT NOT WORKING PROPERLY Reply with quote
hi

I have purchuased 2 senao eoc-2610 so I could upgrade my 700m LOS link of a fonera and wrt54gl to speeds up to 108 mbps as advertised by senao.

after tryed every senao firmware i could not activate the turbo mode (108 mbps) so i think i could try dd-wrt as advertised by senao.

Only after i flashed dd-wrt i discovered i HAVE TO PAY to use this firmware in the eoc-2610 what was not advertised in the "dd-wrt flashing brochure" that had come with this units.

So I have Payed 42 € to find out that this not work properly.


If i have dd-wrt senao eoc-2610 stable flashed link speed is between 5mbps and 24 mbps and transfer speed between 4 and 9 mbps. impossible to activate turbo mode. and no more then 25dBm of power

More or less goes with almost other pre 24-sp2

the last one 08-19-09-r12672 I can activate 27dBm of power. no turbo mode. link speeds are between 36 and 54 mbps but real tranfer speeds are 9 to 12 KB/s wich is ridiculous!!!


I dont understand how dd-wrt development can be adding new devices when a big part of the suposed supported hardware dont have a minimum stable release
I am very disapointed whit this very expensive senao+dd-wrt experience (2x eoc-2610 150 € + 42€ 2x dd-wrt pro with superchannel = 192 € ) just to find out that i was better served with to Free 0 € fonneras

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 23:26    Post subject: Re: LICENSE PAYED BUT NOT WORKING PROPERLY Reply with quote
mochoandre wrote:
... a fonera and wrt54gl to speeds up to 108 mbps as advertised by senao.

I don't know about the fonera but the wrt54gl is limited to 54 Mbps air rate which is 27 Mbps TCP delivery. Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 23:28    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi, I have no issues using the EOC-2610. Please, provide more details aout your configuration in order to help you.

Complaining is fine, facts are better. BTW, I have also paid 25 Euros for the firmware and I am really happy.

About the 108Mbps, it is well know that it just works with COMPATIBLE hardware, and as you wrote, it was Senao advertising it.

I presume something is wrong with your setup somewhere, and can probably be fixed easily.

Michel

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 21:24    Post subject: Reply with quote
...its just easy to claim at the software even if you got no clue about the things u do....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 21:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sash wrote:
...its just easy to claim at the software even if you got no clue about the things u do....


the point is that i've tryed literally hundreds of combination of settings and firmware builds.

now its at almost default settings, but I think probably you can give me some light on what to change and what not from your almighty wisdom

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 22:55    Post subject: Reply with quote
from your almighty wisdom you can also explain this

build 08-13-09-r12638

why web interface reports 27 dBm and in telnet i get these values

root@Senao_2_host:~# iwlist ath0 txpower
ath0 8 available transmit-powers :
0 dBm (1 mW)
7 dBm (5 mW)
9 dBm (7 mW)
11 dBm (12 mW)
13 dBm (19 mW)
15 dBm (31 mW)
17 dBm (50 mW)
19 dBm (79 mW)
Current Tx-Power=19 dBm (79 mW)

Maximum Power: 79 mW

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 30, 2009 23:12    Post subject: Reply with quote
mochoandre wrote:
... I think probably you can give me some light on what to change and what not from your almighty wisdom

Yes, I am happy to.

1 - Change "Mixed Mode" to the fastest protocol the radio supports.

2 - Set the minimum rate to "Auto".

3 - Enable Super G fast framing.

4 - If the channel width on this radio will go to 40, set it to 40.

5 - Adjust the acknowledge packet timeout for the proper distance.

6 - Change the SSID. Shocked

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 1:49    Post subject: Reply with quote
mochoandre wrote:
from your almighty wisdom you can also explain this

build 08-13-09-r12638

why web interface reports 27 dBm and in telnet i get these values

root@Senao_2_host:~# iwlist ath0 txpower
ath0 8 available transmit-powers :
0 dBm (1 mW)
7 dBm (5 mW)
9 dBm (7 mW)
11 dBm (12 mW)
13 dBm (19 mW)
15 dBm (31 mW)
17 dBm (50 mW)
19 dBm (79 mW)
Current Tx-Power=19 dBm (79 mW)

Maximum Power: 79 mW


Well it sounds funny, with the 12672 firmware:

ath0 4 available transmit-powers :
0 dBm (1 mW)
4 dBm (2 mW)
4 dBm (2 mW)
4 dBm (2 mW)
Current Tx-Power=4 dBm (2 mW)
Maximum Power: 2 mW

So, be happy, as I just have 2mW of power according to the report given by the firmware...

BS... is it a bug... or ... is it for real ?

BTW : using new zealand regulation, 12dB, 10dB gain antenna, G-only, Miminum and Maximum Speed auto.

I will check with other countries, to see if it does change.

Michel

EDIT: just changed the country for Switzerland, and I got these results :

ath0 8 available transmit-powers :
0 dBm (1 mW)
6 dBm (3 mW)
8 dBm (6 mW)
10 dBm (10 mW)
12 dBm (15 mW)
14 dBm (25 mW)
16 dBm (39 mW)
18 dBm (63 mW)
Current Tx-Power=4 dBm (2 mW)
Maximum Power: 63 mW

So, the issue is to find which country gives us access to the power we think we might need... Wink

Sash , GeeTek, BS ? Any suggestion or should I go through all the countries ? BTW, to apply a new country regulation, you have to reboot the router, as far I have seen.

Just done some deeper testing, I was able to gain around 20dB by changing the TX power up to 27dB, so I believe the info provided by the iwlist ath0 txpower might not always reflect reality.

Currently, I do have a 36Mb link with a TX power of 9dB, a signal quality around 20% for the long distance AP, and around 30% for the PC connected to the REPEATER.

It seems to be fine.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:25    Post subject: Reply with quote
i see the problem!

wiki: WDS :!:

2nd thing is thet we have a power offset here! webif = true value

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 14:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi Sash, I do connect to a DSL-G624T AP, but no idea of the WIFI chipset, nor if WDS would be possible.

I have also changed the Antenna Gain to 0 on the web interface. Is that what you were naming as "power offset webif = true" ? Any way to override this power offset ?

By the way, I have ordered a 2nd EOC-2610, as I want to test a long link distance between the 2 units. I should get it in a few days I presume.

Michel

EDIT: I have just upgraded to the build 12759. AS far I have just seen, the DHCP slow IP attribution seems to be gone, where the PC needed around 30/60 seconds to get the IP, now it is a matter of few seconds. Also, the GUI is loading much more faster, and the load average remains extremely low, which was not the case on the build 12672.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 17:35    Post subject: Reply with quote
the poweroffset is in hardware so there is no way around it
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:26    Post subject: Reply with quote
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mochoandre wrote:
... I think probably you can give me some light on what to change and what not from your almighty wisdom

Yes, I am happy to.

1 - Change "Mixed Mode" to the fastest protocol the radio supports.

2 - Set the minimum rate to "Auto".

3 - Enable Super G fast framing.

4 - If the channel width on this radio will go to 40, set it to 40.

5 - Adjust the acknowledge packet timeout for the proper distance.

6 - Change the SSID. Shocked


thank you
but as you can see it made no difference
this radio should suport 40mhz channel width but i've tryed with several builds and in none i could activate it, or better, I can activate but I cant get connection

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 1:38    Post subject: Reply with quote
It was better before, you should get a 24Mb / 36Mb without too much trouble. It sounds strange to me.

I will suggest reducing your power to 15dB, on both sides, and performing a ping from a dos windows to the distant Client (ex: ping 192.168.1.2 -t) and see which values it does return.

Also, try using the Status tab, Wireless, and look at the site survey, if there are a lot of APs using your channel. I am far away from the AP, and you can see, a much weaker signal than yours, but much better speed.

How is connected your PC to the AP ? in G-mode , in B-mode ? by CAT5 wire ?

Thanks. Michel

EDIT: just seen your print screen. Move from Client Bridge, and use Client, then create a VAP to connect your PCs. Client Bridge is doing some issues. Give it a try this way.

I forgot to mention that I am in the opposite side of the AP directional built-in antenna.

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2x EOC-2160 - RP 2x17dB Panels - 2x 7Mbps
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All Senao EOC-2610 V1.10 Std 15362 BS
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:55    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi, I have been performing tests all the night, and found that after 5 days running fine, the load average is increased over 1.6, and usually it was under 0.08.

Also, it seems to me that the link is a little weak, I have done several increase / decrease of the power with slight changes in the result. Not sure if it is related to the horizontal polarization of the antenna.

I will do a linking test with the 2nd EOC-2610, and the original firmware when I get it. May be I will give also a try to OSWave.

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2x EOC-2160 - RP 2x17dB Panels - 2x 7Mbps
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All Senao EOC-2610 V1.10 Std 15362 BS
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
things are getting much better with the new 09-08-09-r12874 even though they are not still perfect.
Now I can get speed of about 700 KB/s when downloading from internet. Before I get speeds top of 130 KB/s and the average was 90-110 on an ADSL line of 14000/512 mbit (on the other side of the link i get speeds from 1000KB to 1400KB).


In this moment i cannot test speed on lan transfers because the remote NAS/Server is down at the moment.

From what i can see the link speed is more time at speeds of 36-48 mbps but it seems a little unstable as very often drops to 11 - 9 mbps, specialy when I start to download something.

In this moment my wireless config have prety much all things disabled except extended range. it seems, after several combinations of settings, that this is the most stable.


MichelG wrote:
It was better before, you should get a 24Mb / 36Mb without too much trouble. It sounds strange to me.

I will suggest reducing your power to 15dB, on both sides, and performing a ping from a dos windows to the distant Client (ex: ping 192.168.1.2 -t) and see which values it does return.


hi
prior to the latest release
i've tryed reducing power values but that didnt make any better or at some point worst.


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Also, try using the Status tab, Wireless, and look at the site survey, if there are a lot of APs using your channel. I am far away from the AP, and you can see, a much weaker signal than yours, but much better speed.



I have done this several times in the past. Most of the other signals i can catch are in channels 1 and 11 because its the default channels of the routers a IPTV/Internet company gives to their clients and besides this ones i can pick only 3/5 in channel 6 so i set mine to 9 (not another one i can pick is in same channel)

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How is connected your PC to the AP ? in G-mode , in B-mode ? by CAT5 wire ?

Thanks. Michel

EDIT: just seen your print screen. Move from Client Bridge, and use Client, then create a VAP to connect your PCs. Client Bridge is doing some issues. Give it a try this way.

I forgot to mention that I am in the opposite side of the AP directional built-in antenna.

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my PC is connected wireless to another AP WRT54GL that is inside home on channel 3, The senao client bridge is on the roof and i use client bridge because its the only option to have the theoretic 54mbs dedicated for recieving ( wds and VAP cut the badwith in half for recieving and transmiting)

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