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DASK.Music
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2024 12:45    Post subject: Linksys WRT3200ACM - Why did I buy this thing. Reply with quote
Forgive the long first post...

I have been a user of dd-wrt on a Dlink DIR-868L router for many years. Once I got a stable build I just left it rather risk a bad update and it has been great, very stable with good range on both bands.

However it has become a limiting factor on my wired links since it cannot keep up with my upgraded broadband speed which can hit 600Mbps, only giving me 390Mbps with Shortcut Forwarding Engine ON.

Fast forward I picked up a used Linksys WRT3200ACM off ebay and it has been nothing but problems. Maybe I should have done more research but foolishly I thought being open source ready it would be ideal and work very well on dd-wrt or openwrt.



I am going to leave what I have done to get this Linksys wrt3200acm working of sorts here in case it helps someone else. Please don't flame as I am not super techy on networks.

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1. I choose a fairly recent build to start with from 2024 and flashed the router from factory. Booted first time fine but if I changed anything in the settings it would no longer boot up and link via cable. Factory reset (10s reset hold) would clear everything and ddwrt would boot up again. Even just updating the username and p/w at the prompt of a now reset router would stop it booting a 2nd time. I tried many builds from 2024 and late 2023 and all did the same.

2. Digging around here I found a thread that said build DD-WRT-51937 was stable and known good build for the wrt3200acm. So flashed this version and this time the router behaved fine and booted up after changes and saves in the settings. (nvram issue ?). Weird.

3. Installed it on my network and did a wired lan test and it maxed at 600Mbps, great finally. Now a Wifi test using my laptop....WFT.... 1Mbps. I had set all the wifi settings to the same modes and channels as my older Dlink as these channels were free of congestion and have been fast and stable for me for years. I disabled radio 2 on the Linksys (as recommended) and just had radios 0 (5Ghz) and 1 (2.4GHz). This 1Mb speed was via the 5Ghz band. Normally I can get 100Mbps on wifi via laptops.

4. I used LinSSID under linux (my main OS) and checked free bands under 2.4G and 5G. Lots of free space at both ends of the spectrum but no matter what channel I choose initially I barely got past 8Mbps on 5G wifi.

5. At this stage I was getting a bit weary after days of messing and was going to ditch it so I thought, sod it, just update to the now latest dd-wrt build and damn what happens, if it bricks again I'll just go back to factory stock firmware and sell this thing. I updated to DD-WRT-56326 and this time the router would boot and reboot fine after changes. Another weird bug.

6. Still awful wifi on all channels when started to retest, but this time channel 157 at the very top gave me 300Mbps on the 5G band and the link speed from my laptop was now 433Mbps. I can live with that. What is odd that there is lots of free bands outside the DFS range but only this very top band gives me decent speeds.

7. Now 2.4Ghz band. I only use this for an android phone and this has the same issues of speed. I finally managed to get 20Mbps on channel 13 even though 11 is free. I have had the occasional drop out for whatever reason. I disabled WMM support under 2.4G and that seems to have helped with traffic flow. However if I disable WMM support under 5G that band vanishes. I keep them as 2 separate SSID. Re-enable WMM for the 5G radio and it comes back. Another weird bug.

8. The modes that work for me seem to be mixed mode 5G and mixed G/N. Anything else, the speed just drops off. My laptops are all N 5Ghz and phone N 2.4Ghz but just selecting this N mode destroys the bandwidth so mixed it is.


Finally...

The range of this thing sucks. My old £30 ancient Dlink 868L trumps this massively for range and that does not have the 4 fancy antennas on it. I have orientated the aerials to suit were my devices are located.

I understand the firmware for this is actually closed source and the linksys firmware wifi just sucks. Open Source ready they say ? Honestly if Linksys would just open up their firmware, there are some very talented devs that could likely improve it vastly.


So should I keep it or find something better like a Netgear R series. It only cost me £80 thankfully but I certainly would never buy a Linksys product again. I like the look of the Flint 2 (GL-MT6000) but that only has openwrt builds.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2024 13:12    Post subject: Reply with quote
Look for a thread I started on Mar 22, 2023 (currently on page 5 of Marvell):
Linksys WRT3200ACM - issues

I like my WRT3200ACM, as long as you stick to it's needed settings.

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2024 14:57    Post subject: Reply with quote
There are several WRT3200 users here in the forum who also use WLAN.
Learn how to configure WLANs correctly and it will work.

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I disabled WMM support under 2.4G and that seems to have helped with traffic flow. However if I disable WMM support under 5G that band vanishes. I keep them as 2 separate SSID. Re-enable WMM for the 5G radio and it comes back. Another weird bug.


https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-features/dont-mess-with-wmm/
https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/QCA_wireless_settings#WMM_Support

disabling WMM breaks 802.11n / 802.11ac etc.


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Still awful wifi on all channels when started to retest, but this time channel 157 at the very top gave me 300Mbps on the 5G band and the link speed from my laptop was now 433Mbps


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My laptops are all N 5Ghz


433Mbit is not N but AC....

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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2024 15:01    Post subject: Reply with quote
nickant wrote:
Look for a thread I started on Mar 22, 2023 (currently on page 5 of Marvell):
Linksys WRT3200ACM - issues

I like my WRT3200ACM, as long as you stick to it's needed settings.


I think it your thread that I followed to start with. I will go over it again in case I missed something.
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2024 19:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry that I don't post more forthcoming information "daily", but I have one in place here and not having issues other than uptime. I was hoping that there would've been a 56350 build dropped for Marvell, but nope. Currently on 55630, had the longest uptime with 55615 (21 days) before a random reboot. Some issues are still being sorted out with Linux 6.1 and SFE for Qualcomm IPQ and Marvell devices. As always, "If you don't want it, I will take it"... Cool
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2024 23:33    Post subject: Reply with quote
DASK.Music wrote:

I think it your thread that I followed to start with. I will go over it again in case I missed something.


On the second page I list the recommendations I followed to get it working well.
They are different to what you have , so I don't think you read that page.

When my XR500 died, I made my WRT3200ACM the Gateway here.
With SFE off, I get no reboots within one week.
I always set my routers to reboot every Sunday morning, so it has been very solid.
WIFI - it's only WPA2 but I have strong coverage on both 5GHz and 2.4GHz, with no issues on 4 laptops or 5 Android mobiles.
And using OpenVPN Client, I get up to 128Mbps on my connection, which is nearly its full speed here - my XR500 on Openwrt could only do 66Mbps.

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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2024 10:42    Post subject: Reply with quote


For now it seems to be stable and working. I still need to turn off WMM on the 2.4Ghz band otherwise my android phone has issues so I guess I am running on G, it is set to G/N mixed.

The 5Ghz band is ok for where my laptops are, one directly under the router on the ground floor, router is on the floor above (3 bed semi), and the other on the same floor and same room as the router. TV is another issue, opposite end of the house from the router, it connects on 5G but signal is mediocre but I only use it very occasionally via wifi for youtube.

The range overall on both bands is generally worse than an old Dlink 868L RevB. I could go to the bottom on the garden to my shed and the Dlink would still be connected. This Linksys barely keeps connection outside the back door.

I have all 4 antenna horizontal.

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A Few Questions :-

Can anyone tell me the command to run to confirm the country code it is set to. I understand this is also locked in the device. Just curious. Also what is BFWA option for the UK. I have it set to UK standard.

The 2.4Ghz band TX power is 20dBm (Ch 13) but the 5Ghz TX power is lower at 13dBm (Max 26) (Ch 157+155). Does this level change with channel selection or just country (if it was not locked).
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2024 12:07    Post subject: Reply with quote
The transmission power in the 5GHz band depends on the channel and the regulatory domain, but changing the regulatory domain will not help much as the WRT3200 has an integrated pre-programmed power table.

The channels from 149 upwards have the lowest transmission power in the EU and are declared as short range low power.

The channels above 100 have the highest transmission power

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2024 20:22    Post subject: Android Phone on 2.4G issues. Reply with quote
Firmware: DD-WRT v3.0-r56326 std (05/10/24)

Just for info...

Some odd behaviour with the 2.4G band and my android phone with this build. If I enable WMM on 2.4G I have a problem you youtube thumbnails of other videos not loading/showing when any current video is playing. I guess it is giving priority to the video stream ? I can live with WMM off since videos still play fine and thumbnails of other suggested videos then show.

Another odd one is if I change the wifi channel on the router, my phone will drop the connection and not re-connect again, with various errors such as connected but no internet (there is, laptop on 5G is fine), or an error such as.. Network Connection Denied. Rebooting the router for what ever reason does not fix it. My only way is to solve this is to switch security type on that band, apply, back to WPA, apply. In fact it won't even switch to disable in the settings. If I set it to disabled and apply, the router does not change anything, it is still on WPA. So I have to change it to another mode like WEP, apply, then back to WPA, apply. Then my phone reconnects.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 21:20    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey, I tried some of the newer DDWRT Firmwares (2024 and newer) for this router, and had no success. They were all very unstable, and unreliable.

Then I tried https://ftp.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/downloads/betas/2023/02-04-2023-r51576/linksys-wrt3200acm/, and have been running it stably without any resets for about 6 months. I am using it as an OpenVPN server, as well as using SmartDNS so it encrypts all traffic to cloudflare using the DoH and DoT protocols. So far, the only errors I have found in it, is that it can't properly do "Port Range Forwarding", so you have to use just plain old "Port Forwarding" and forward necessary ports one by one. Other than that, this is the most stable version of DD-WRT for the WRT3200ACM that I have used in about 6 years, when I first got the router.

So if you are having problems with your WRT3200ACM, I would strongly recommend firmware https://ftp.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/downloads/betas/2023/02-04-2023-r51576/linksys-wrt3200acm/ firmware for it, unless you need port range forwarding.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 21:32    Post subject: Reply with quote
Various reports either confirm or debunk this, but these are the current picks:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2024 16:06    Post subject: Re: Android Phone on 2.4G issues. Reply with quote
DASK.Music wrote:
Firmware: DD-WRT v3.0-r56326 std (05/10/24)

Another odd one is if I change the wifi channel on the router, my phone will drop the connection and not re-connect again, with various errors such as connected but no internet (there is, laptop on 5G is fine), or an error such as.. Network Connection Denied.


I'm not suggesting this as a "fix" but simply something to try.

A couple of years ago, after a firmware update on our android phones (Moto's), I could no longer connect with either phone.

After trying everything and as a last resort I enabled WPA3 Personal/SAE along with WPA2 Personal.

Both phones immediately connected and have done so ever since. My only explanation is to use WPA3 you MUST have a device that supports WPA3. I can only assume the phone update included WPA3 support or some other android wifi security update that broke my connection until I enabled both security modes.

Since enabling both WPA2 along with WPA3 . . all my wifi devices connect including my phones on both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz.

Enabling WPA3 seems to break the wifi for everyone else on the forum so I cannot explain WHY it works for me?? I've never deleted my phone connections to see if it breaks wifi for my other devices with WPA3 still enabled as I don't want to open that can of worms again. Lazy I am.

Give it a try and ignore this post if no joy. =)

BTW, both my phones are connected via 2.4 GHz but will connect on 5 GHz as well.

Edit: If you are using MAC Filter double check setup/entries and make sure no devices are generating random MAC addresses.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 21:02    Post subject: Reply with quote
And don't leave all 4 antennas horizontal! Most people have them vertical. I believe a sound argument, if not a simple one, can be made for instead having each antenna pointing in a different direction, in conjunction with single-user or multi-user beamforming, and that's what I do here.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 22:37    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, with only a couple of changes tested, and the "crashfix" of 58401, 58430 alpha has been running stable for > 12 days on my WRT3200ACM. Still waiting for an 0 or 5 alpha or beta to drop to upgrade and test the reversion of those and other patches applied after the fact. I'm okay with waiting for > 30 days' uptime. Cool Wink Twisted Evil

@SurprisedItWorks: I'd love to see your antenna "placement" !

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2024 15:13    Post subject: Firmware: DD-WRT v3.0-r56326 std (05/10/24 Reply with quote
Firmware: DD-WRT v3.0-r56326 std (05/10/24)

Been running on this build now since the start of this thread. It seems stable apart from those few bugs previously mentioned. I ditched my old mobile and bought a newer one and that uses the 5G WiFi band solving the previous issue I had with my mobile on the 2.4Ghz band. I only have a camera on 2.4 now.

Range is still poor but its managable.
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