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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2021 23:57 Post subject:
kernel-panic69 wrote:
bushant wrote:
Alozaros wrote:
cron must be enabled...
Thanks Alozaros. Now we have the rest of the story.
I enabled cron on 7800 and in a few seconds the magic happened
Disabling cron is a bad idea. Because several functions break with it disabled.
yep CRON is a part of the services that need to be enabled and kept enabled by default, same for NTP time ...as those are vital for router functioning...as well related to that way for firmware flashing discussed above... _________________ Atheros
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 3:57 Post subject:
Cron has to be enabled for everything to work properly. Anything that relies on timing relies on cron (like NTP!). Makes me wonder how many people have been shooting themselves in the foot by disabling it. _________________ "Life is but a fleeting moment, a vapor that vanishes quickly; All is vanity"
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Cron has to be enabled for everything to work properly. Anything that relies on timing relies on cron (like NTP!). Makes me wonder how many people have been shooting themselves in the foot by disabling it.
should it be hidden from the web gui, instead of a radio option? the current description in the web gui and wiki doesn't highlight the importance of cron or the impact of disabling cron.
/off-topic: transition from Windows 10 to Windows 11 feels like from Windows 7 to Windows 8
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:02 Post subject:
IONK wrote:
should it be hidden from the web gui, instead of a radio option? the current description in the web gui and wiki doesn't highlight the importance of cron or the impact of disabling cron.
I dont think so personally, not all setups require all services, Clarification by help text and other documentation of these pertinent aspects would be a way to deal with this.
EDIT: A better implementation (UX side) would be to warn user that when some service or function is has a specific dependency to operate wont work because the required service is being disabled (not exclusive to cron)). Or something to that effect.
Patches welcome to either of those effects.
IONK wrote:
/off-topic: transition from Windows 10 to Windows 11 feels like from Windows 7 to Windows 8
The humane thing to do to any PC is to blow it UP, rather than make it run that Win 11 garbage .
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6446 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:58 Post subject:
IONK wrote:
.../off-topic: transition from Windows 10 to Windows 11 feels like from Windows 7 to Windows 8
I never used the crap Win Os's (vista, Win 8 or W10 as a main )
mrjcd wrote:
...You Winders people prolly gotta use some PuTTY shit or sompin to do that
although, linux has a native ssh client i use Putty to flash DDWRT firmware and for other stuff too, same on Win 7... Putty all round... _________________ Atheros
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Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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Of course, those files' locations have migrated since then, but the code is still there (I'm not tracking that down ATM). Should be blatantly obvious what to revert. BUT, the intention was to add the additional cron jobs input; implementation, however was overkill. _________________ "Life is but a fleeting moment, a vapor that vanishes quickly; All is vanity"
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I agree that the enable/disable button there should only affect the additional cron jobs input field below instead of the whole system's cron. For experts who want to disable the whole system's cron, command line is better for them.
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 18:25 Post subject:
IONK wrote:
I agree that the enable/disable button there should only affect the additional cron jobs input field below instead of the whole system's cron. For experts who want to disable the whole system's cron, command line is better for them.
Thing is, DD-WRT is not just for experts, else we wouldn't have half the options in UI. And its easier for most to Use UI to start/stop services and configure things.
But whatever that is cron side, it looks like the intention was the additional cron jobs as target, if it disables cron, its a implementation bug. Not that I actually looked though all the code.
I still maintain that for better UX, when A,B or C depends on X to work and X is disabled, users should be notified that A,B or C will no longer work. But best UX practices are far from ideal in 99% of all projects with a UI of any kind... And none cares.
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2021 18:40 Post subject:
I think that the overall intention "works" as "intended" (show/hide & enable/disable add'l cron jobs), but at the expense of disabling cron from running itself when you select "disable" (which is the problem). The implementation is indeed flawed so it either needs to be fixed or the button removed (as it really isn't necessary as previously stated). I haven't had time to look at it in depth. _________________ "Life is but a fleeting moment, a vapor that vanishes quickly; All is vanity"
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I still maintain that for better UX, when A,B or C depends on X to work and X is disabled, users should be notified that A,B or C will no longer work. But best UX practices are far from ideal in 99% of all projects with a UI of any kind... And none cares.
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