general speed on older router about half of stock firmware

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tgvrfcedx
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:26    Post subject: general speed on older router about half of stock firmware Reply with quote
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i have this same problem.
i am testing on a older dlink dir-300 A1

i have 2 of these, one stock one with ddwrt.
i have tested many ddwrt firmware versions all with the same issue.

slow speeds in general. tested both wifi and lan.
the lan is a bit faster than wifi, but both half the speed of the stock firmware.

i feel this is a bug or something,
what settings could effect lan\wired speeds?

if anyone can suggest some options to test, let me know.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:36    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:57    Post subject: Reply with quote
May sound harsh but you can throw them in the garbage, they are technologically on the level of a 20 year old WRT54.
(I would not like to have it as a gift)

extremely slow processor
4MB Flash and 16MB RAM
IEEE 802.11g 54Mbit / if you are lucky you get a maximum of 25Mbit out of it

And the stock firmware always runs faster, it probably runs with proprietary components and hardware nat or whatever.

Wired you should reach more than 13Mbit anyway
but we don't know your setup and configuration except that you do weird things with double NAT etc. anyway

with the little information provided, no one will be able to give you a helpful answer anyway.

What does the network configuration look like?
What are the exact measurement results?
How high is the CPU load on the router during a long download?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:43    Post subject: Reply with quote
ho1Aetoo wrote:
May sound harsh but you can throw them in the garbage, they are technologically on the level of a 20 year old WRT54. (I would not like to have it as a gift)

ok, but thats not the point is it... ddwrt was around and working when these were popular.


extremely slow processor
4MB Flash and 16MB RAM
IEEE 802.11g 54Mbit / if you are lucky you get a maximum of 25Mbit out of it

yep, 25mbit is perfectly fine for this


And the stock firmware always runs faster, it probably runs with proprietary components and hardware nat or whatever.

so does that mean it wont ever work right? people have had this issue with other brands and models


Wired you should reach more than 13Mbit anyway

stock will run around around 54/20 down up, ddwrt will only do 13/13mbit. on a 50\20 internet connection.
i am not interested i the best speeds, just in finding out why this is happening.


but we don't know your setup and configuration except that you do weird things with double NAT etc. anyway
there is no special setup, this is all test bench
stock firmware both ddwrt and factory.
again im not trying to tweak max speeds, but find out why there is a big change when ddwrt is running.


and not sure why double nat is a "wierd", its a quick way to isolate networks and devices.


with the little information provided, no one will be able to give you a helpful answer anyway.

how about suggest which "info" ...that would seem much more helpful.


What does the network configuration look like?

stock router, test pc. mobile device.

What are the exact measurement results?

long story short. ddwrt gets half the stock speed

How high is the CPU load on the router during a long download?

well thats the thing... its not. nothing while running TOP in telnet goes very high




for example. when testing wifi (the link is perfect) 54m
download will start at around 2,4,5mbit and then drop taper off to 0.2
the upload seem to work almost at normal speed or more solid no taper off.
on the wire test its a solid 20\20.
the upload seems ok but the down seems slower
stock firmware would be sitting on 25\20 wifi 50\20 wired.

what can i test further to try find the issue?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 13:02    Post subject: Reply with quote
Software NAT needs a lot of CPU resources.
Therefore it is weird to run an additional unnecessary second NAT on a router with a 180Mhz CPU.
This is exactly the opposite of performance.

And since you don't bother to answer the questions completely, post your confirguration etc.. I won't go into it further.

btw: just dug out a WRT54 and running it as a WAP
iperf3 says 15Mbit (no clean channel)

only 15Mbit (sad smiley)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 13:09    Post subject: Reply with quote
many answers on this question, either on google or in the forums...

its time to have a look at this thread https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=48331

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 13:41    Post subject: Reply with quote
You two are doing the very same thing that have people including you two upset with me; While you both are correct, berating someone is not the answer. Neither one of you chimed in on this thread, but the user opened the one we are in now and you are being rude and putting them off instead of posting helpful information. That being said, I also asked for configurations and got stonewalled; so @tgvrfcedx you do need to be a little more forthcoming, or you won't get quality help. Also, to note, this situation is a given a lot of times more often than not because of the nature of custom firmware not using the same exact drivers, kernel, and proprietary binary blobs.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 13:54    Post subject: Reply with quote
ho1Aetoo wrote:
Software NAT needs a lot of CPU resources.
Therefore it is weird to run an additional unnecessary second NAT on a router with a 180Mhz CPU.
This is exactly the opposite of performance.

not sure what that has to do with this topic, or where i said anything about "software nat" or that i am running any such thing on this test or on a single router.

And since you don't bother to answer the questions completely, post your confirguration etc.. I won't go into it further.

again.... what question.....
post what configuration???? again... its stock firmware hard reboot.
you can ramble on about unrelated topics, but oddly cannot ask direct questions.
seems like a trend on this forum



btw: just dug out a WRT54 and running it as a WAP
iperf3 says 15Mbit (no clean channel)

a WRT54???? what does this have to do with anything? there is more then one type of WRT54....
only 15Mbit (sad smiley)

[b]the dir-300 has WPA2 AES. and im not even running any wifi security. and this issue is not just wifi speed its wired too.




i already explained the stock firmware runs almost twice as fast throughput ....im trying to figure out why ddwrt is not working well.

if you dont know or cant help there is no need to reply

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 13:56    Post subject: Reply with quote
KP-69 you are absolutely correct...just have a look on this answer Laughing Laughing


tgvrfcedx wrote:
i already explained the stock firmware runs almost twice as fast throughput ....im trying to figure out why ddwrt is not working well.

if you dont know or cant help there is no need to reply


i cant be bothered with people that don't want to search, read, learn and will keep asking the same questions....even if people had answered those many times...seen many of those around not my first time...

ill delete my posts from above and let them cook in their own souse ....enjoy dealing with those... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 14:00    Post subject: Reply with quote
THEN DONT COMMENT ON MY POSTS!!!! YOU ARE BEING A PEST NOTHIG MORE. YOU TOLD ME BY PM YOU DIDNT WANT TO COMM. YET YOU STILL COMMENT ON MY POSTS !?!?! F,O

Alozaros wrote:
KP-69 you are absolutely correct...i cant be bothered with people that don't want to search, read, learn and will keep asking the same questions....even if people had answered those many times...seen many of those around not my first time... Laughing Laughing

ill delete my posts from above and let them cook in their own souse ....enjoy dealing with those... Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 14:02    Post subject: Reply with quote
And this is why this user has questions and complaints; because the information is buried and not in the wiki. And device threads are a cumbersome cesspool to wade through. I see both sides of this. Deleting your responses does nothing to benefit or otherwise.

And, if you two among others hadn't done what you did, I could fix this issue with the above response. But now I cannot. Enjoy.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 14:02    Post subject: Reply with quote
tgvrfcedx are you mental ??? Laughing Laughing Laughing Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad



KP-69 enough of those fixes...let them shine bright Razz

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NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 14:04    Post subject: Reply with quote
IS IT TOO HARD TO ASK SPECFIC QUESTIONS??????

HOW THE HELL DO I NOW WHAT CONFIGURATION YOU ARE ASKING MORE DETAILS ON??!?!?!

WHAT OTHER INFO DO YOU WANT????

I CANT READ PEOPELS MINDS THAT CANT ASK SIMPLE QUESTIONS.

YOU HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO ATTACK AND COMPLAIN ABOUT MY ASKING FOR HELP...BUT ITS TOOOOOO HARD TO JUST ASK SPECFIC QUESTIONS...

THIS FORUM IS A FING EMBARRASSMENT. TO DDWRT


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 14:04    Post subject: Reply with quote
Now, if only a moderator were around, lol. By the way, I emailed BS about this thread already.

Post all the configuration pages, use an image hosting site. If you are unsure what's applicable to the situation or not, that is the best idea.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 14:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
@tgvrfcedx

sorry it is completely unclear how you test at all


tgvrfcedx wrote:
there is no special setup, this is all test bench

stock router, test pc. mobile device.


Very expressive, I can imagine a lot under it.
We all know right away how the router is configured and connected, and how you perform measurements.

As I said, I'm out.
You have been asked more than once to provide accurate information.

I'll do it now like the other users and wish you much success.
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