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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 15:07    Post subject: Broadcom VLANs and Bell Aliant Home Hub 3000 Reply with quote
Hello all,
I have Bell Fibe Internet through my Home Hub 3000. It is connected to the WAN port of my Linksys EA6400 running DD-WRT (latest). I want to avoid double NAT.

This reddit thread says it can be done, mainly using UBNT equipment: Getting rid of the Home Hub 3000 in NS Canada

I want to use the Home Hub as a modem only. And then use the DD-WRT router in proper Gateway mode. Currently the DD-WRT router receives an IP of 192.168.2.X (from the Home Hub's DHCP pool).

I have tried putting the router's WAN MAC in the Home Hub's DMZ, even advanced DMZ, no change.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 16:40    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmmm... I've got a Bell Home Hub 3000 (SageMCOM FAST 5566) lying around, but no power supply. If you let me know the output specs on your power supply, I can try to wire this up and check.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 17:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why not just remove the Home Hub from the picture altogether?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXAF-fQJHqE

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 18:59    Post subject: Reply with quote
Did you try disabling the Home Hub 3000 (HH3000) wifi (even though that might not disable IPTV wifi) and putting the HH3000 in bridge mode?

I recently saw (but didn't speed-test) an installation fed by Bell 1.5G fibre. They had an HH3000, which is supposedly rated for 1.5G at least via the SFP port. I noticed that the feed was instead coming into the WAN via Ethernet. When I followed that Cat6 cable, I found what appeared to be a cable modem tied by coax cable to a little Arris SDU RFoG CPE converter ultimately having the green fibre connection. Strange new stuff...

I've also heard of some Bell installations supposedly using a Nokia(?) fibre-to-copper converter that's then connected to the Home Hub 3000 WAN via Cat5 rather than fibre to the HH3000 SFP port.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 19:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
The Home Hub 3000 has an SFP port with a converter module that is what is registered on their system that is the WAN, according to the video I posted. A simple media converter SFP->ethernet with said module from the Home Hub connected to the router's WAN port, proper configs, and voila (according to the video I posted)...

I am waiting to see what the newly built fiber network here has to offer as far as how I can connect with or without their equipment.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 19:21    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry for any confusion... I'd followed the reddit link in the first post, and also watched that youtube vid. The HH3000 has a red ethernet WAN port (1000BASE-T, next to the 4 yellow ethernet LAN ports) as well as an SFP port (silver in black behind a hinged door). Although the SFP port may be internally used functionally as WAN, that's not the WAN port that I was talking about. The install I saw had no cable entering the SFP port compartment (and might not have even had an SFP module in the SFP port, although I didn't check behind the hinged door to be sure). The fibre-to-cable and cable-to-ethernet devices that I found when I followed the Cat6 ethernet cable were two rooms away from the HH3000.

EDIT1: Perhaps one issue is that the HH3000 can supposedly handle 1.5Gbps, while the other media converters cited seem to max out at 1.0Gbps (although I just saw one with 1.25Gbps advertised).

EDIT2: And according to the "CP80x5U, CP80x8U 1218 MHz RFoG SDU R-ONU Data Sheet", that little fibre-to-cable converter that I found doesn't even have an SFP port that could accept an SFP module pulled from the HH3000, so my understanding at this point is that that particular installation was not using an SFP module for data (whether or not one was actually present in the HH3000 without being connected to a fibre cable). If one was installed, it could only have been used for identification/registration rather than data conversion.

EDIT3: The HH3000 apparently takes 12VDC at 5A. Unfortunately, none of the power adapters that I have on hand here will fit into the jack.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 23:08    Post subject: Home Hub 3000 Reply with quote
I am going that route now. I just ordered one of the TP-Link devices. The one you linked to.

I will need some help on DD-WRT commands setting up the WAN VLAN of 35 needed for it to access the Internet.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 23:19    Post subject: Reply with quote
Main point of reference for vlans above 15 is the switched ports wiki:

https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Switched_Ports

I'm not an expert on it, but I can fumble through it with you Embarassed Laughing Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:07    Post subject: Testing - Still no luck Reply with quote
So, I did some testing today with the TP-Link setup with the SFP module from the Home Hub as per the reddit thread and the youtube video. The TP-Link MC220L is then plugged into the WAN port of the Linksys EA6400 router.

I then started playing with VLANs.

This is what I tried:
Code:

root@Linksys EA6400:~# nvram show | grep vlan.*ports | sort
size: 38997 bytes (26539 left)
vlan1ports=0 1 2 3 5*
vlan2ports=5
vlan33ports=4t 5t
vlan35ports=4t 5t
vlan36ports=4t 5t
vlan37ports=4t 5t
root@Linksys EA6400:~# nvram show | grep port.*vlans | sort
size: 38997 bytes (26539 left)
port0vlans=33 35 36 37
port1vlans=1
port2vlans=1
port3vlans=1
port4vlans=1
port5vlans=1 2 33 35 36 37 16
root@Linksys EA6400:~# nvram show | grep vlan.*hwname | sort
size: 38997 bytes (26539 left)
vlan1hwname=et0
vlan2hwname=et0
vlan33hwname=et0
vlan35hwname=et0
vlan36hwname=et0
vlan37hwname=et0
root@Linksys EA6400:~#


Note, this is the default dd-wrt config for that router:
Code:

root@Linksys EA6400:~# nvram show | grep vlan.*ports | sort
size: 38107 bytes (27429 left)
vlan1ports=0 1 2 3 5*
vlan2ports=4 5
root@Linksys EA6400:~# nvram show | grep port.*vlans | sort
size: 38107 bytes (27429 left)
port0vlans=2
port1vlans=1
port2vlans=1
port3vlans=1
port4vlans=1
port5vlans=1 2 16
root@Linksys EA6400:~# nvram show | grep vlan.*hwname | sort
size: 38107 bytes (27429 left)
vlan1hwname=et0
vlan2hwname=et0


Any help would be appreciated. I know it is not like Bell Fibe in Ontario. Here in NS, NB, PEI, and NL, it connects differently. No PPPoE here.

I also tried it without the tags (no t), no change. VLAN 35 is the only one I should require as per the reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/UNIFI/comments/bkfxw1/how_to_get_rid_of_the_bell_home_hub_3000_and/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_title

Sadly that thread is all Unifi based.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 22:26    Post subject: Still need help, now with SWCONFIG Reply with quote
Hello all,
As broadcom devices post 46604 now use swconfig. I need help with that instead.

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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2021 0:32    Post subject: Reply with quote
This should get you started on wrapping your brain around it:

https://openwrt.org/docs/techref/swconfig

https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=290196

https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=313472

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 14:36    Post subject: Next try Reply with quote
Hello all,
Today I was able to test some swconfig commands:
Code:

swconfig dev switch0 set enable_vlan 35
swconfig dev switch0 vlan 35 set ports "4t 5t"
swconfig dev switch0 set apply
vconfig add eth1 35


These were then added to the startup command in the GUI. The Switch Config tab in the GUI was used to Tag the WAN port. Then click apply. Only thing changed on that page.

Networking Tab
Changed WAN port assignment to VLAN35 from dropdown. Clicked apply.

Still no Internet.

Note: WAN port is port 4 on the router. It defaults to VLAN2. Still in VLAN2 in my setup after these commands.

Any ideas.

Bell Aliant only requires tagged VLAN 35 on the WAN port. No PPPoE sign-in, etc, in Nova Scotia.

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TP-Link Archer C7 v2 x2 - WDS Station
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 20:34    Post subject: webGUI Reply with quote
Well it seems Brainslayer just made my life easier. webGUI support for VLANs above 15 was just added, r46737.

Now, all I need to do is figure out the correct setup to use for Bell.

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UBNT loco M2 x2 - airOS

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2021 21:43    Post subject: Reply with quote
if this ID will be on your WAN port it seems you are missing those lines:
swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 2 set vid 35
vconfig add eth0 35

if fact follow this format:

swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 2 set vid 35
swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 2 set ports '0t 5t'
swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 1 set ports '0t 1 2 3 4 5t'
swconfig dev switch0 eth0 set apply
swconfig dev switch0 eth0 35
ifconfig vlan35 up

last line is only if its regarding pppoe WAN
nvram set pppoe_wan_ifname="vlan35"

of course you have to change ports to your router type, as this is only an example...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 20:54    Post subject: Errors Reply with quote
Let's go through the output line by line:
Alozaros wrote:

vconfig add eth0 35

Output, nothing, works fine.
Alozaros wrote:

swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 2 set vid 35

Output:
Code:
root@Linksys EA6400:~# swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 2 set vid 35
swconfig list
swconfig dev <dev> [port <port>|vlan <vlan>] (help|set <key> <value>|get <key>|load <config>|show)
root@Linksys EA6400:~#


Alozaros wrote:

swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 2 set ports '4t 5t'

My default WAN is on 4 and 5(cpu).
Output, nothing, works fine.

Alozaros wrote:

swconfig dev switch0 eth0 vlan 1 set ports '0 1 2 3 4t 5t'

Not sure why you added the WAN port to VLAN1 in this case.
Output, nothing, works fine.

Alozaros wrote:

swconfig dev switch0 set apply

Output, nothing, works fine.

Alozaros wrote:

swconfig dev switch0 eth0 35

Output:
Code:

root@Linksys EA6400:~# swconfig dev switch0 eth0 35
swconfig list
swconfig dev <dev> [port <port>|vlan <vlan>] (help|set <key> <value>|get <key>|load <config>|show)
root@Linksys EA6400:~# swconfig dev switch0 35
swconfig list
swconfig dev <dev> [port <port>|vlan <vlan>] (help|set <key> <value>|get <key>|load <config>|show)
root@Linksys EA6400:~#

I even tried swconfig dev switch0 35, same error.

Alozaros wrote:

ifconfig vlan35 up

Output, nothing, works fine.

At the end of the day, this is the default VLANs on the Linksys EA6400:
Code:

vlan1ports=0 1 2 3 5*
vlan2ports=4 5u

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Atheros:
Netgear R7800 x3 - WDS AP / station, gateway, QoS
TP-Link Archer C7 v2 x2 - WDS Station
TP-Link TL-WDR3600 v1 - WDS Station
TP-Link 841nd v8 - NU
D-Link 615 C1/E3/I1 x 7 - 1 WDS station
D-Link 825 B1 - NU
D-Link 862L A1 x2 - WDS Station
Netgear WNDR3700v2 - NU
UBNT loco M2 x2 - airOS

Broadcom
Linksys EA6400 - Gateway, QoS
Asus N66U - AP
Netgear WNDR3700v3 - not used
MediaTek
UBNT EdgeRouter X - switch
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