Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 15:01 Post subject: Moderator actions review - censorship of speech
Hello,
I'm working on dd-wrt for the last 12 years. I have never been in violation of any rules or policies or had any issues with moderators in the last 12 years. That is until yesterday. I'm sorry to have to ask you to spend time to review this matter but I believe the behaviour of this moderator is detrimental to the group and without being addressed will hurt the group and community if it goes unaddressed.
In this post below I describe a problem I am having and ask the group for advise.
moderator, msoengineer, replied telling me that I had crossed posted and to not do that. I protested his categorization of my posts and stated I didn't violate policies and he should provide me with the policy wording. Instead msoengineer decided to edit my posts, without notice, and remove my words that was critical of his accusation.
A mod altering another users post to change the messages and at the same time make no note that it was in fact edited by a moderator is misleading, a misrepresentation of my words and statement. and an abuse of his authority as a role of moderator. This is not the type of punitive actions that is becoming of a moderator on this site.
I would like the administrators to review his actions and to address my concerns. Thank you. _________________ Location (urban) - 1x Linksys EA8500 (AP wlan0 & wlan1 enabled)
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Last edited by stephensuley on Fri Dec 04, 2020 18:09; edited 1 time in total
I deleted commentary that was un-necessary and you did cross post...
I welcome any "investigation" and you will find that indeed you have cross posted.
Our debate if I was cross posting or not is no longer the issue. Your actions after that is what I am raising to the group as a problem that needs an investigation.
Unnecessary or not, I simply stated I disagreed with your comments. I only pointed out how my posts were in fact different from each other and my belief that it was those differences that was the proof it wasn't in fact a cross posts.
No rude words, no combative comments, nothing that violated any policy. Yet you took action to edit my post and deleted my words, and censor my speech. This is a gross abuse of power by you.
A member disagreeing with your comments isn't a reason nor does your role as moderator grant you permission to censor their speech, alter their post, and take away their right to reply to your accusations. You must have a just cause to take the actions you did, and you saying they are "un-necessary" is not listed as a justifiable reason.
It's your unilateral actions to edit my posts and censor my speech simply because you disagree with or find them unnecessary that is at issue. You abused your role as moderator and abused the rights granted to you by the group.
It's extremely concerning that even now you are unable to see the error of your censorship actions. This continued display of poor judgement by you is more proof that you do not understand what your role is as a moderator and what the proper way is to exercise those privileges are. _________________ Location (urban) - 1x Linksys EA8500 (AP wlan0 & wlan1 enabled)
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 18:25 Post subject:
Do we have to quote the rules and guidelines stickies as well as the moderator rules in a response here? People seem to have an issue being moderated on this forum. You can tell by the way that trying to stay on topic in the build release threads was met with resistance and subsequent complaints.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 18:26 Post subject:
a single post was edited and nothing removed was of any consequence...
I will admit it was of poor judgement to remove the less than "of consequence" comments you have...
you're getting awfully fired up over your comments that were pretty weak..but you'll now say I deleted something of worthwhile commentary...
I'm sorry I deleted your post; really I am...but you're making this out like i deleted damming stuff...and it was more griping whiny stuff...
so keep on being a whiny person...
if I lose my moderator status..so be it...EGC and I are really the only one's left...and BS likely won't do much about this since he needs our help...
I promise not to edit anyone's post over petty shit and let it air out...in the end I still have a point that you cross posted about U-apsd in two spots..but that point is moot now...
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You were being rude
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Multiple or repeated posting in order to increase your post count is not allowed.
you posted about u-apsd in two spots; one topic was several years old...
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Also while these rules cover most common situations, they cannot anticipate everything. Consequently we reserve the right to take any actions we deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way.
being rude and whiny when you were in the wrong certainly falls under this use case. _________________ FORUM RULES
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 18:33 Post subject:
msoengineer wrote:
let's just both move on...
Please. We do not have enough active moderators on here to keep things in check, and it shows. It is why the forum has gotten painful over the past couple of years or so. _________________ "Life is but a fleeting moment, a vapor that vanishes quickly; All is vanity"
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 18:45 Post subject:
kernel-panic69 wrote:
msoengineer wrote:
let's just both move on...
Please. We do not have enough active moderators on here to keep things in check, and it shows. It is why the forum has gotten painful over the past couple of years or so.
agreed that we only have so much bandwidth to watch over stuff... I'm not bowing out over someone being rude... but I think my point is made...
Oh, and turn off u-aspd... _________________ FORUM RULES
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 18:49 Post subject:
ho1Aetoo wrote:
so I have no complaints
if i understand the problem correctly then a post has been edited without notice?
well, next time just add a comment "the post was edited by: because"
there you avoid all problems
No reason for anyone to argue
great advice and will do my best...sometimes we're just trying to clean things up... mostly pics being too big...or posts in the wrong sub-group.... _________________ FORUM RULES
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 18:59 Post subject:
ho1Aetoo wrote:
Well, I don't know if you're being ironic.
but I always handle it that way, we have stamps for it, edit and lock the post.
With a short comment.
There are some other users who are wondering.
I would also be a little surprised if I write a post and then at the end half of it is missing.
90%+ of the time I do... in this case I was being lazy and called to the mat for it... First time of a complaint like this...again, sorry and I will do my best not to repeat it.
I hope it's evident from all the other stuff on here that I am trying to be a steward and pay back in this way for the free firmware work that takes a shit ton of time and resources. _________________ FORUM RULES
a single post was edited and nothing removed was of any consequence...
I will admit it was of poor judgement to remove the less than "of consequence" comments you have...
you're getting awfully fired up over your comments that were pretty weak..but you'll now say I deleted something of worthwhile commentary...
I'm sorry I deleted your post; really I am...but you're making this out like i deleted damming stuff...and it was more griping whiny stuff...
so keep on being a whiny person...
if I lose my moderator status..so be it...EGC and I are really the only one's left...and BS likely won't do much about this since he needs our help...
I promise not to edit anyone's post over petty shit and let it air out...in the end I still have a point that you cross posted about U-apsd in two spots..but that point is moot now...
While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks or purposeless inflammatory posts. Please refrain from swearing, as it only serves to deter others from reading further. If your post has been removed, our decision is final in these matters.
You were being rude
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Multiple or repeated posting in order to increase your post count is not allowed.
you posted about u-apsd in two spots; one topic was several years old...
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Also while these rules cover most common situations, they cannot anticipate everything. Consequently we reserve the right to take any actions we deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way.
being rude and whiny when you were in the wrong certainly falls under this use case.
Can you cite the example where I was rude? I would genuinely like to know what words I posted you believed was being rude.
I believe you're now being dishonest to obfuscate your own inappropriate actions.
I'll move on, but I want my post restored and my infractions cited. _________________ Location (urban) - 1x Linksys EA8500 (AP wlan0 & wlan1 enabled)
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 19:54 Post subject:
keep making all the claims you want to support your side...
I cannot re-instate your comments; as whiny and rude as they were....
You can certainly ask BS to try and restore your 4 sentences back...only he has that ability. When they do get restored it will only bolster my side of things.
I don't appreciate your slander, so knock it off.
As moderators we have to take things into our own hands when people are rude...sometimes things get messy...sorry for that.
your comments were simply whining that I am being unfair in calling you out for cross posting...It's a real shame that you cannot say: I admit to cross posting and won't do it again... instead you continue to be a jerk as evidenced above.
I took the high ground- said sorry, but I don't have to tolerate you being a jerk still, per the rules... move on...
I am locking this thread since you said you're moving on and so am I. _________________ FORUM RULES
