Do I need to buy a new router every year?

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alien_scones
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 0:32    Post subject: Do I need to buy a new router every year? Reply with quote
Hello. I've been using ddwrt for many years across many different linksys routers.

For every router, it seems that over time the router becomes less reliable, hangs, crashes, just doesn't work. When that happens there is usually an upgraded model available.

Last year I had an ACS1900 (?) and it worked great until it didn't. So I upgraded to a 3200ACM.

Well, lately:
(1) The wireless ATH0 stops working
(2) a valid password on either wireless network is often rejected.
(3) some wired connections drop/stop working
(4) a power cycle usually gets things working, but sometimes not.

I have the router reboot every night.

This seems like a repeat of my 1900 last year, and several other models.

I have tried a nvram erase a couple times. The first time it seemed to help for a couple days, the 2nd time bad things started happening within hours.

I like ddwrt, i like the features, I use many features, but in the end if it doesn't work I'm hurting myself.

Oh, I upgrade ddwrt every couple months. I'm currently on DD-WRT v3.0-r42747 std (03/20/20)

The problems have occurred on prior versions.

Lately it just seems to be getting worse. Working at home I can't afford much downtime.

Whats the next model I need to upgrade to?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:11    Post subject: Reply with quote
New releases of dd-wrt have been problematic. Have tried to unsuccessfully run new releases and always end up reverting.
Unless there is a change in the underlying chip firmware or wireless drivers, I don't find a compelling reason to upgrade. Hence, I stick with a release from 2018 (Firmware: DD-WRT v3.0-r35681 std (04/06/18)) which works well on my 3200acm.
Sure, some will say new releases fix security issues. But, that a call you have to take considering your environment.

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WENED
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:28    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is a reply I posted on a different post but it is also relevant here. Quite simply newer is not necessarily better. My best performers are three very old 1900 V1's and then only if I use 2+ year old firmware.
I don't know if I can be of much help, but my experiences with recent releases and in particular all releases for the 3200 have been all but frustrating.
If you review my profile below you will notice that I have a fair amount of IP Cameras and Sonoff devices.
Until recently I had given up on the 3200 2.4Ghz radio as it has been nothing but a Royal Pain. Smart Devices (Sonoff) will only function with wmm disabled and G only. Mixing any other devices on the same AP so configured causes multiple disconnects as you are experiencing. At present I only have two cameras on my 3200 2.4Ghz radio and with the exception of the V380 Camera all works well. The V380 is breed of it's own and doesn't seem to matter where I put it, it will ultimately disconnect especially if it is deprived of exclusive internet activity.
With my current configuration I have downgraded all my 1900's to r31924 as anything newer just doesn't work especially with WDS. When I did use newer releases on the 1900's I could connect with Client/Bridged but but I would get a lot of problems as you are getting. Also, not sure when it started but on most recent releases if I try to use them on the 1900's I may be able to connect on the 5Ghz to my 3200, but as soon as I activate the 2.4ghz my link drops.
As for stability with my current configuration, it's great. All my cameras and Sonoff devices connect and stay connected without the multitude of problems.
My suggestion and others also, is not to use the 3200 on the 2.4Ghz but rather use a separate AP to do the job.
I doubt this is what you want to hear, but look through the forum and you will see this is not a new problem and is not likely to go away any time soon. Workarounds for now is the only way 3200's will perform and depending on any other routers their specifics can also be quite contrary.

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Ath1 2.4Ghz Disabled
99 Static Leases

WRT3200acm r44538 WDS Station 5Ghz
Ath1 AP N/G Mixed Channel 11 HT40

WRT1900Ac V1 5Ghz r44538 WDS Station
(Defective, no 2.4Ghz but 5Ghz works great)

WRT1900AC V1 5Ghz AC 80Mhz WDS Station r44048
2.4Ghz AP Ch1 HT20 Mixed

(SPARE)WRT1900AC V1 r44048 On LAN
5Ghz WDS AP Ch149(+6) 80Mghz
2.4Ghz Ch 6 20Mhz N/G Mixed

WRT1200AC V1 r44048 LAN
2.4Ghz 20Mhz Ch 6 Mixed
5 Ghz 80Mhz Ch 149 (UUU+6) WDS AP

WRT54G DD-WRT v3.0-r37305 micro AP CH 6 Mixed - Not in use

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EX7000 Stock Firmware Spare
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lim
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:19    Post subject: Reply with quote
WENED wrote:

My suggestion and others also, is not to use the 3200 on the 2.4Ghz but rather use a separate AP to do the job.
I doubt this is what you want to hear, but look through the forum and you will see this is not a new problem and is not likely to go away any time soon. Workarounds for now is the only way 3200's will perform and depending on any other routers their specifics can also be quite contrary.


I would tend to agree with WENED. My solution for my (large) house and garden is to use the WRT3200ACM with radios turned off and to use a Ubiquiti Unifi AP AC LR as my WAP. This arrangement has been rock steady for years, although I am sure there will be other solutions!

Regards, lim

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blkt
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:27    Post subject: Reply with quote
+1 find a used condition Unifi Long Range AP or Netgear R7800 to replace the entire router.

Business aquisitions have fubar'd Linksys (Foxconn) and Marvell (NXP) so their radio chipset wifi driver support is nil.

I started with WRT3200ACM then moved on to R7800 and a cheaper older EA8500.

New build is out 42910 with updated mac80211 among other things.

Some common "fallback" builds are 40009, 41813, 41986, 42015 and 42054 for Marvell WRT series.
CantRepeat
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:31    Post subject: Reply with quote
blkt wrote:
+1 find a used condition Unifi Long Range AP or Netgear R7800 to replace the entire router.

Business aquisitions have fubar'd Linksys (Foxconn) and Marvell (NXP) so their radio chipset wifi driver support is nil.

I started with WRT3200ACM then moved on to R7800 and a cheaper older EA8500.

New build is out 42910 with updated mac80211 among other things.

Some common "fallback" builds are 40009, 41813, 41986, 42015 and 42054 for Marvell WRT series.


Are talking about a NETGEAR Nighthawk X4S R7800?

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blkt
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:45    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/Netgear_R7800

https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/Linksys_EA8500

Yes R7800 is a newer chipset with active wifi driver support.
CantRepeat
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:33    Post subject: Reply with quote
blkt wrote:
https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/Netgear_R7800

https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/Linksys_EA8500

Yes R7800 is a newer chipset with active wifi driver support.


I might have to switch and pick up two of those.

Is the AC2600 the correct model?

https://www.amazon.com/Netgear-R7800-100NAS-Nighthawk-Ethernet-Compatible/dp/B0192911RA?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_1

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:36    Post subject: Reply with quote
AC2600 is a silly marketing term, a sum of all the wifi bands.

It's known as R7800 Netgear Nighthawk X4S or R7800-100NAS.

If you buy used (craigslist, offerup, ebay etc.) you might find two for the price of a new one.

Yes B0192911RA is the Amazon listing.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 14:08    Post subject: Reply with quote
I run six of the WRT1900ACSv2 routers and have never had a hardware issue as long as I run a USB fan on them. For some reason Linksys removed the internal fan on that model, but they shouldn't have, as they can get a bit to hot and go all squirrely. I have found 40009 to be rock solid, but every newer build I've tried has had at least a few issues, though the most recent of those, 41954, has had the fewest problems. So on most of my routers - the ones I manage remotely for other people so don't want to take as many chances with - I stick with 40009.
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CantRepeat
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:53    Post subject: Reply with quote
blkt wrote:
AC2600 is a silly marketing term, a sum of all the wifi bands.

It's known as R7800 Netgear Nighthawk X4S or R7800-100NAS.

If you buy used (craigslist, offerup, ebay etc.) you might find two for the price of a new one.

Yes B0192911RA is the Amazon listing.


I bought two of them. Hopefully this will put an end to the 2.4 connection and too small of memory to flash to both partitions. If this model even has two partitions. I guess I'll see y'all over in the Atheros WiSOC based Hardware forum.

So long and thanks for the fish!

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:01    Post subject: Reply with quote
R7800 doesn't have the Linksys dual partition layout (EA8500 does), but easily makes up for that with a TFTP recovery mode and a newer chipset that receives far more attention.

https://openwrt.org/toh/netgear/r7800#flash_layout

https://openwrt.org/toh/linksys/linksys_ea8500#flash_layout
smesser
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 19:39    Post subject: New WRT3200ACM owner Reply with quote
This is a very frustrating issue for us that aren't gurus.

I researched for DD-WRT routers before purchasing.
Many reviews place it in the top 5.
Flash routers says it's one of there best sellers.
Yet wifi support is sketchy.

Yes, I release now that companies were sold blah blah...
How is a novice supposed to get reliable wifi when so much conficting info?

5Ghz wifi has never worked well for my house.
I have 2.4Ghz setup with a Guest network and it works fine until it doesn't an then I have to reboot.

I will try firmware 358681 mentioned above.

My previous router was hacked as it's DD-WRT firmware was so out of date.
Since then I have been very proactive about using the latest version.

I have searched until I am just plain confused.
Should I revert back to stock firmware?
Should I ditch the brand new nearly 3 bills router?
SurprisedItWorks
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 20:02    Post subject: Reply with quote
Most of the "Best Routers for dd-wrt" reviews are complete garbage. I've even seen some that go on to list features of the stock firmware, which of course are irrelevant. Perhaps these people are paid by the router firms?

While we are at it, don't trust the "Best VPNs..." articles either. They are sloppily written, get the features wrong, do irrelevant tests, and apparently often involve being paid fees under the table by the VPN providers reviewed. I'm convinced that one popular VPN pays reviewers to claim it is compatible with Netflix when it is not.

How do you get reliable info? For dd-wrt these forums are the place to be, but it is not simple and quick to find the right posts to read. For VPNs I haven't found anything to be reliable short of just trying them, though there are good comments in these forums about using various VPNs in dd-wrt.

I wish there were better answers.

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blkt
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote
I share your frustration. My time with WRT3200ACM relied on insecure stock firmware for a stable experience and that was not acceptable. If returning is an option, I would do it now.

The open source wifi driver provided from Marvell is just simply too flawed and the only guaranteed solutions are to disable radios to use an external access point or replace the router completely. It's a great Ethernet router though.

I did mention some fallback builds earlier in this thread, but your mileage is very dependent on your connected client devices and how they react to the version of wifi driver and hostapd included in that build.
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