Joined: 31 Jul 2021 Posts: 2146 Location: All over YOUR webs
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:38 Post subject:
Too long a label, labels need to be short, I agree things should be K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple & Stupid) for UX side, but we also need to look at the UI aspect of things.
Lets say the label stayed how it was, `Use SmartDNS Servers Only` Which servers are these? Where in smartDNS are these servers provided?
So question remains the same if label is `Use SmartDNS Servers Only` or `Provided Servers Only`
To resolve this a short label then since the servers are provided in additional options right?
So my solution is `Defined Servers Only` or better `Additional Servers Only`or again another word better than Provided, Defined or Additional, we cant have more than 3 words here, even if we assume translators will find shorter ways to fix the translation, we have a limited space until the label reaches the radio button.
The word Use and SmartDNS are implied, so its already not needed.
And to illustrate... See screenshot. The label wraps and pushes the one below.
We have to find a 3 word solution, max 4 words and cant be words that are too long or unnecessary words since context matters. (we sometimes have to use obvious words where the label is two words long else it makes it weird, case and point Enable Resolver above).
I think `Additional Servers Only` is simple and to the point since immediately below we have a Additional Options field.
Joined: 31 Jul 2021 Posts: 2146 Location: All over YOUR webs
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:09 Post subject:
Ive now, added a 4 word label using an implied word to make it extra KISS.
`Use Additional Servers Only`
Part of me thinks the word `Use` could still be omitted without prejudice, but...
Lets see what translators come up with. (we have two active? so all languages where not translated will show English only anyway.)
In Portuguese this would be rather simple and words are generally longer.
Utilizar Servidores Adicionais = Use Additional Servers
Apenas Servidores Adicionais = Additional Servers Only
Apenas Utilizar Servidores Adicionais = Use Additional Servers Only
Joined: 31 Jul 2021 Posts: 2146 Location: All over YOUR webs
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:19 Post subject:
In German or any language, you can use the accepted technique of not using the smartDNS word at all for the additional options field.
You are already under a specific `SmartDNS Resolver` section all options in said section are clearly just for smartDNS, so you dont need to repeat what words already are defined by the specific and separate context where you are configuring something.
Also below on the other section you use `blablablah DNS (DNSCrypt)` Me I would do this `blablablah DNS` when you toggle this on you are offered the DNScrypt Resolver as it becomes visible, so you are already looking at two DNScrypt words.
Problem is now the English is semi fixed for the most part, the translations should follow the logic and mostly they still rely on what use to be needlessly repetitive. Given the sheer size on the whole language file which has the complete set, its not possible to optimize things in such a short time, but that's OK, it doesn't all have to happen in one day.
Slowly but surely we make things better, sure it has side effects like wikis and documentation will now be off beat (well not the built in hlep text at least Ive taken care of those and much todo still, but, that's not a reason to not improve something.
The opensource problem of the ages, lack of active contributors in most non code related areas, some projects have more active communities and more developers and some dont and are driven by one person mostly. Such is the beast. Something happens to that person and project is dead.
ho1Aetoo wrote:
When I think about it, I find the two variants quite good.
Additional Servers Only
Use Additional Servers Only
I suppose that might be understood
In here lies the rub. If you have to think about it (more than a second), its already failed.
Many many many years ago, in the Xbox legacy hacking days, and doing skins (themes) I met a very nice German chap who went by the nickname of Chokemanic, we shared a love for graphic and UI design, amongst other things.
He introduced me to a book https://sensible.com/dont-make-me-think/ the first edition back then, I bought it and have now all editions, but for the most part the first/second editions were the best for me, the 3rd is going a little sideways at least the electronic version.
You really understood the value of not making people think and if (too much) thinking is required then its failed, because attention spans and wondering minds and how people scan pages not actually read top to bottom.
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:36 Post subject:
Use only SmartDNS Servers could be easy used as
Only SmartDNS Servers - Nur Smartdns Servers
it is a short and intuitive and that was my basic though...
where....
Additional Servers Only
or
Use the Additional Servers Only
Those from above are confusing to me, as it rises a questions..servers from where...as there are few places to specify DNS servers...
i've seen people that want to use Stubby, Unbound, SmartDNS along with DNScrypt all together in order to get the best security... _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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Stubby DNS over TLS I DNSCrypt v2 by mac913
Joined: 31 Jul 2021 Posts: 2146 Location: All over YOUR webs
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:40 Post subject:
To repeat the needless smartDNS word doesn't make anything suddenly be understood.
Read my previous two posts for why repeating words that are already made obsolete because of the specific context.
If label reads `Use Additional Servers Only` and right below you have an additional options field, if it still does not make sense, then its failed and as all suggested labels naming so far would equally fail.
It should clarify where these servers come from, but sadly you will still need to figure out where babies come from by yourself.
to me it doesn't really matter, what ever option it will be, as long as it's working..as it should...
thinking for the general mass...
short, intuitive, transparent...and ect...
i feel sorry for the thread (buinneach), that picking/discussing the correct name became to...
not always ppl are on the same page... can't blame... _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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Stubby DNS over TLS I DNSCrypt v2 by mac913
You guys know that the 'S' in DNS stands for server, right? So maybe it should be "Use SmartDNS Only", but since it is in the SmartDNS section, it should probably read, "Use Only". Well, now that I fixed that, I'm heading out the the ATM machine to get some money. _________________ Netgear XR500 - Gateway
R6700 v3 - Station Bridge
Joined: 31 Jul 2021 Posts: 2146 Location: All over YOUR webs
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 17:16 Post subject:
strange wrote:
`Use SmartDNS Servers Only`
You guys know that the 'S' in DNS stands for server, right? So maybe it should be "Use SmartDNS Only", but since it is in the SmartDNS section, it should probably read, "Use Only". Well, now that I fixed that, I'm heading out the the ATM machine to get some money.
Makes sense, I like it so much I got you tickets to the Muppet show, you can sit next to Mortimer..
@egc Im on the fence with the Use word as well, its kinda redundant, especially when we see what the Polish translators do to it.
@egc and @the-joker I think that both of you did an awesome job on the SmartDNS implementation in the last update. Thank you for all of the work that you do. _________________ Netgear XR500 - Gateway
R6700 v3 - Station Bridge