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Laithan
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 19:40    Post subject: WDS Station recommendation Reply with quote
I currently have an R7800 w/R41586 installed as a WDS AP. I have an area in the house where there is a lot of brick and cement so the wireless signal is very poor. I was thinking of adding another WDS station to improve the signal quality in this area.

I have two questions for the experts:

(1) What router would you recommend? I figure it needs to have adjustable/replaceable antennas and an Atheros chipset compatible with my R7800 WDS AP. Only need 2.4Ghz 802.11N so I can buy a cheaper model. I thought of a WNDR3700v2 but it has built in antennas..WNDAP350 doesn't seem to have DD-WRT support... I assume some of the old radios (during draft days) might not be up to par. What do you folks recommend?

(2) What happens to bandwidth when I add a 2nd WDS Station to the WDS AP? Is there any downside other than the potential for addtional wireless traffic to the AP? Am I going to expect less performance even when there is no competing traffic?


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Alozaros
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 20:14    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/WDS_Linked_router_network

all there well described ... Twisted Evil

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Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ------DD-WRT 42054 BS WAP/Switch (wired)
TP-Link WR740Nv4 ------DD-WRT 42054 BS
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ----DD-WRT 41813 BS (AP,PPPoE,NAT,AD Blocking,AP Isolation,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT)
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ----DD-WRT 42054 BS (AP,NAT,AD Blocking,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT,)
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ----Gargoyle OS 1.12.0 (AP,NAT,QoS,Quotas)
Qualcomm/IPQ8065
Netgear R7800 -------DD-WRT 42054 BS (AP,NAT,AD-Blocking,AP&Net Isolation,VLAN's,Firewall,Local DNS,DoT,VPN)
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 -------DD-WRT 42054 BS (AP,Wi-Fi OFF,NAT,AD-Blocking,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT,VPN)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 20:22    Post subject: Reply with quote
TBH, Try and find another R7800 on ebay between $70-$100 and or keep your eye's peeled for an amazon deal. You just missed the $120 deal for a new R7800 on amazon.

I would look for something with a wifi 5- wave 2 chipset, or better. The R7800 is using the QCA9984:

http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=QCA9984&fulltext=1

And
http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Qualcomm_Atheros

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[EA8500]BS 41659 (Offsite)
[R7800]taking a nap
[WDR3600]BS 36808 (Offsite)


TIPS/TRICKS:

Best QCA Wifi settings to use|Latency tricks|QoS Port priority||NEVER USE MU-MIO

Why to NOT use MU-MIMO||Max Wifi Pwr by Country||MCS Index Speeds||Correct QCA 5Ghz chnls to use||WIFI Chnl Freq WIKI
Laithan
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 20:59    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alozaros wrote:
https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/WDS_Linked_router_network

all there well described ... Twisted Evil


Are you sure? I did not see anything about performance impact when adding a 2nd station. I apologize If I missed it but I don't see it.


msoengineer wrote:
TBH, Try and find another R7800 on ebay between $70-$100 and or keep your eye's peeled for an amazon deal. You just missed the $120 deal for a new R7800 on amazon.

I would look for something with a wifi 5- wave 2 chipset, or better. The R7800 is using the QCA9984:

http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=QCA9984&fulltext=1

And
http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Qualcomm_Atheros


Perfect, just what I needed.
Ty!

EDIT: Unfortunately it seems DD-WRT isn't supported on basically the entire list except R7800/R9000.. lol

Even at $120 (nice deal, agree) I really don't want to spend that much money on an AC1200 router, a N router is all that is needed for this location (can get for like $20).

I took your lead and found this list based on the Ath79 chipset http://en.techinfodepot.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Ath79, seems like I could search through these models for DD-WRT support..

I guess I could always buy an N router and benchmark the performance but didn't want to have buyer's remorse. I am hoping someone could elaborate on the PROs/CONs relative to performance when adding a 2nd WDS Station, if any. Ty
Alozaros
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 22:50    Post subject: Reply with quote
the essence of WDS is not like client/repeater mode
it doesn't cut bandwidth in half...thats y is more preferred, but its a hack that only compatible units will support and work with...
yep try Archer C7 v2, 3, 4
or TP link wr1043nd v2 or v3 both have Qualcomm-Atheros SoC that is compatible with R7800
well...at least i tried TP-L 1043v2 along with R7800,
you could probb find DIR 862l too, as it has the same SoC......

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Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ------DD-WRT 42054 BS WAP/Switch (wired)
TP-Link WR740Nv4 ------DD-WRT 42054 BS
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ----DD-WRT 41813 BS (AP,PPPoE,NAT,AD Blocking,AP Isolation,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT)
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ----DD-WRT 42054 BS (AP,NAT,AD Blocking,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT,)
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ----Gargoyle OS 1.12.0 (AP,NAT,QoS,Quotas)
Qualcomm/IPQ8065
Netgear R7800 -------DD-WRT 42054 BS (AP,NAT,AD-Blocking,AP&Net Isolation,VLAN's,Firewall,Local DNS,DoT,VPN)
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 -------DD-WRT 42054 BS (AP,Wi-Fi OFF,NAT,AD-Blocking,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT,VPN)
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msoengineer
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 22:55    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alozaros wrote:
yep try Archer C7 v2, 3, 4
or TP link wr1043nd v2 or v3 both have Qualcomm-Atheros SoC that is compatible with R7800
well...at least i tried TP-L 1043v2 along with R7800,
you could probb find DIR 862l too, as it has the same SoC......


The other option is the Archer A7v5... I got one for a buddy on ebay for $25+S/H... the downside is TX Pwr on the 2.4 won't go above 24 from what I recall because of the WiFi 4 limits in the chipset firmware... So YMMV using an older chipset...that's why I said stick to WiFi 5 chips...

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[r9000]BS 42045 Alpha (Main Router)
[EA8500]BS 41659 (Offsite)
[R7800]taking a nap
[WDR3600]BS 36808 (Offsite)


TIPS/TRICKS:

Best QCA Wifi settings to use|Latency tricks|QoS Port priority||NEVER USE MU-MIO

Why to NOT use MU-MIMO||Max Wifi Pwr by Country||MCS Index Speeds||Correct QCA 5Ghz chnls to use||WIFI Chnl Freq WIKI
Laithan
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 0:04    Post subject: Reply with quote
msoengineer wrote:
Alozaros wrote:
yep try Archer C7 v2, 3, 4
or TP link wr1043nd v2 or v3 both have Qualcomm-Atheros SoC that is compatible with R7800
well...at least i tried TP-L 1043v2 along with R7800,
you could probb find DIR 862l too, as it has the same SoC......


The other option is the Archer A7v5... I got one for a buddy on ebay for $25+S/H... the downside is TX Pwr on the 2.4 won't go above 24 from what I recall because of the WiFi 4 limits in the chipset firmware... So YMMV using an older chipset...that's why I said stick to WiFi 5 chips...



Thanks guys! Chasing down a C7 now, they seem to be fairly priced. Appreciate it! Assume v4 is the best, not sure how much that matters.

EDIT: Got the C7 V4 on the way Smile tyvm
Laithan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 19:31    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've got the C7 v4 up and running with r41586. As I was configuring WDS I noticed Mesh 802.11s was now an option.

I am trying to learn about 802.11s in DD-WRT, is this still considered WDS? Is it more secure? The WDS Wiki didn't reference 802.11s.

Can anyone point out the difference between using WDS and using 802.11s in DD-WRT? In my case it will be with a R9000 and this C7 Archer. Which option would you recommend? Ty
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