Qos - messaging / VoIP apps (whatsapp, telegram) over VPN

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krembo99
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:37    Post subject: Qos - messaging / VoIP apps (whatsapp, telegram) over VPN Reply with quote
I have a couple of routers with dd-wrt which I installed several years ago. I suppose the build is quite old ( around 2015 ? ) the details are :

Code:

Router: Netgear R6300 v.2
CPU: Broadcom BCM5300 chip rev 1

Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (12/22/14) giga (SVN revision 25697)
Kernel: Linux 3.10.63 #5241 Mon Dec 22 05:39:52 CET 2014 mips


The other router is super-old Linksys E900 with same build

I never actually used Qos before, but I would like to try - on a per-service based approach.

My biggest problem is communication / VoIP / messaging apps like telegram, whatsapp and vibr (and skype to some extent ) because all my connections are forced through VPN.

On the DDWRT admin interface, under Qos, I can see many services , among them Skype - but I do not know what should I choose for whatsapp && Telegram prioritizing.

Questions :

1 - Does newer versions of dd-wrt have these services in the Qos drop-down per default ? I am not even sure what ports / protocols they use should i need to configure them myself manually. ( I saw some old info about whatsapp using port 5223/TC and vibr using 5242 - 5242 TCP ,4244 - 4244 TCP, 5243 - 5243 UDP, 9785 - 9785 UDP - but that is probably deprecated )

2 -Also, considering the fact I use VPN for all those apps should I prioritize the VPN App/service or the Service itself - or both ?

3- In case an upgrade is needed - can my hardware(s) even support newer builds ?
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krembo99
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 25, 2019 13:51    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi - thanks for your reply.

Quote:
You do realize that you can use PBR (policy based routing) w/ the OpenVPN client GUI to limit what uses the VPN, right?


I am not using OpenVPN in this specific use-case, but thanks, I will keep it in mind for other uses.


Quote:
Any source IPs listed in that field use the VPN, everything else uses the WAN.


Unfortunately this is not the case. the specific router I am referring to are located in China. Everything must go on VPN.

Quote:
So perhaps QoS isn't so much the issue/answer, but just keeping certain things on/off the VPN to get a better mix of usage between the WAN and VPN.


Like above stated, all need VPN. The services I mentioned in my Question do not even work without VPN. Totally / partially blocked.

It is more a question of smoothing the dedicated band for each and giving priorities.

Any idea if the new versions have those services in the QoS services list ? And if not, can someone point me to some resource of how to script that myself? I am fairly ok with python / *NIX and even C etc.. but not really know the dd-dwrt itself..
Dr_K
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 17:59    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you are going to fallow the advice of jumping to a current build....
That router runs quite well on most <Kong> builds...it will use http://desipro.de/ddwrt/K3-AC-Arm/TEST/dd-wrt.v24-K3_AC_ARM_STD.bin since you are already on a dd-wrt build.

Which ever build you choose...alot has changed since 2014-2015, like used kernal, wifi drivers, etc...

So it would be highly recommend to at minimum perform a reset to defaults after flashing the current firmware
Or better yet through telnet or ssh run the "nvram erase" command then the "reboot" command...without quotes....
If you haven't been fallowing along, that command has changed a little more than a year ago from "erase nvram".

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WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
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WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
Dr_K
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 20:29    Post subject: Reply with quote
eibgrad wrote:
Dr_K wrote:
If you are going to fallow the advice of jumping to a current build....
That router runs quite well on most <Kong> builds...it will use http://desipro.de/ddwrt/K3-AC-Arm/TEST/dd-wrt.v24-K3_AC_ARM_STD.bin since you are already on a dd-wrt build.

Which ever build you choose...alot has changed since 2014-2015, like used kernal, wifi drivers, etc...

So it would be highly recommend to at minimum perform a reset to defaults after flashing the current firmware
Or better yet through telnet or ssh run the "nvram erase" command then the "reboot" command...without quotes....
If you haven't been fallowing along, that command has changed a little more than a year ago from "erase nvram".


Is Kong still active? I thought he stopped development some time ago. I assume that's why you recommended his TEST builds, which I'm not so sure is a good idea, even if they are current. That's always been considered a bit riskier than his normal releases.

The build I linked to is dated 4-20-2019.....some time ago??

I really don't care to get into or comment on the seemingly repeated issue or stunt...whatever it was.. occuring around "April first"

<Kong> at least personally tests his builds (on at least some of his supported devices) before any type of release....can that be even insinuated for any device under BrainSlayer?

Not sure why you see it ok for yourself to recoment a beta untested (at least on this guy's router) build that is only one day older?
Instead of one of BrainSlayer's "un riskier" "normal releases"...wait, there aren't any.
Not to mention not containing some of the fixes that Brainslayer, for whatever reasons refuses to encorperat in his builds.

But ok......¯\(°_o)/¯

Was the rest of my post ok & accurate?

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WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
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WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
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R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
egc
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:13    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fortunately Kong is still alive and kicking and active developing for DDWRT Very Happy

Regarding the use of his TEST build, I do not hesitate to recommend it if it is more than a week old, his TEST builds are picked up by a lot of users (see the build thread) and yes there are sometimes problems reported in the first few days, but Kong is very quick to correct it or otherwise retract his TEST build.

So if his TEST build is more than a week old and no problems are reported in the build thread (as is the case with the 39575 build) I would recommend it Smile

So the Kong build 39575 is approved and stamped by me LOL

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krembo99
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 23:47    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks all for the great replies and information.
I will definitely want to try to upgrade to one of the adequate versions, but now I have another problem - I am not entirely sure what is the exact model of one of the routers ( Netgear )

When I bought it - I remember the model as R6300v.2

But dd-wrt reports the following info ( see attachment ):



However , on the router database on this very site, the info for R6300v.1 is :

router database : https://dd-wrt.com/support/router-database/?model=R6300_v1

Code:

Chipset : BCM4706
RAM   128 MB   
FLASH   128 MB


And the R6300v.2 is :

Code:

Chipset : BCM4708A0
RAM   256 MB   
FLASH   128 MB





Does the dd-wrt (being old) - reports wrong info? is the info on the router database page is wrong ? or do I simply have some other sub-model?

BTW, I found online some page that actually reminds the same chip as alledgedly reported by my ww-wrt :
http://wp.bioss.net/support/netgear-r6300-dual-band-wifi-802-11ac-router

But it can also be a mistake.

So - can anyone guess what is the right router and what will be the correct version in that case ? is http://desipro.de/ddwrt/K3-AC-Arm/TEST/dd-wrt.v24-K3_AC_ARM_STD.bin still ok ?
also, another small question for general knowledge - why is this version not hosted on dd-drt url / ftp ?



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egc
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:34    Post subject: Reply with quote
v1 and v2 are totally different

see: https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#Netgear

What is on the label of the router?

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krembo99
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 4:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, thanks @egc. I know they are different, hence my question.
My DD-wrt install reports different information than what's on the router database link ( compatible with none of them )
Per Yngve Berg
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 10:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
Use wikidevi

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Netgear_R6300_v1

With a 1 core MIPSEL, it's a V1.
Dr_K
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2019 13:04    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, wikidevi also states v1 is 600mhz....screenshot says 300mhz?
BTW v2 is 2 core 800mhz under dd-wrt, 1 core 800mhz onder stock.

So again, what does the sticker on the bottom of router say?

Looks like you may have messed up somewhere along the line. Or BS support is worse than I thought.
Just another reason I try not to recomend them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'd look at sticker.....then go back to stock using tftpd....not necessarily using the latest...then come back over to dd-wrt using the correct file......many factory resets along the way of course.
If it is a v2, no 30/30/30's.

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Location 1
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r53562 (10/03/23) Gateway
WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
krembo99
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 7:18    Post subject: Reply with quote
@Dr_k - the sticker just say R6300.

What caught my eye was the difference in the chip.
My DD-wrt reports BCM5300 as can seen in the screenshot. the router database has totally different CPU models listed for both V1 and V2.
Also wikidevi lists Broadcom BCM4706.
Maybe this is some different build or different sub-model? (it was bought in china ) are those databases based only on American sold builds?


I am going to guess it's a v1 based on the RAM? Hopefully this is not wrongly reported also.

In that case ( V1 ) - the "kong" version recommended is ok?

Can my version be guessed by the already installed and working DD-wrt version ? it's been there for 4 years and still working well - but I would like to upgrade.
Dr_K
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2019 15:30    Post subject: Reply with quote
krembo99 wrote:
@Dr_k - the sticker just say R6300.

Then normally it would be a v1
krembo99 wrote:
What caught my eye was the difference in the chip.
My DD-wrt reports BCM5300 as can seen in the screenshot. the router database has totally different CPU models listed for both V1 and V2.
Also wikidevi lists Broadcom BCM4706.

At least the router database & wekidevi contain comparable information.
krembo99 wrote:
Maybe this is some different build or different sub-model? (it was bought in china )

Not saying this is the case, nore trying to pick a fight with anyone Chinese, but they are magnificent at cloning things (on the outside) to make an easy buck off the unsuspecting.
Though using better hardware is usually never the case, unless they were defects acquired at an extreme discount.
Again, not saying for sure this is your situation.
krembo99 wrote:
In that case ( V1 ) - the "kong" version recommended is ok?

I believe <Kong> dropped support for the v1 quite a while ago.
So to be current, your only option with dd-wrt is using a BrainSlayer build. like say this one
krembo99 wrote:
Can my version be guessed by the already installed and working DD-wrt version ? it's been there for 4 years and still working well - but I would like to upgrade.

Not sure anyone can answer that definitively.
To my knowledge, dd-wrt gets it's info from the CFE &/or the boardid. Neither if which do I have personally for the v1 to provide you for comparison.
Hence my original suggestion to go back to stock first.
Have a look at R6300v1's wiki
Sadly, any process moving forward from the apparent state you are in will contain at least some form of risk.

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WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
krembo99
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 12:52    Post subject: Reply with quote
No worries, after more than 15 years in china I can say 2 things about that :
Dr_K wrote:

Not saying this is the case, nor trying to pick a fight with anyone Chinese, but they are magnificent at cloning things (on the outside) to make an easy buck off the unsuspecting.
Though using better hardware is usually never the case, unless they were defects acquired at an extreme discount.
Again, not saying for sure this is your situation.


1 - You are absolutely right about your remark Smile ..
2 - From my experience of 15 years doing hardware QA in china - I can definitely say that it is not some fake. The device is legit.
3 - It is not so rare to have different specs for same model in Asian markets. it can happen in TV, Computers, Phone and any other electronics.
This is the only way to explain other reports of different CPU's like this :http://wp.bioss.net/support/netgear-r6300-dual-band-wifi-802-11ac-router

anyhow, during my search I also found another hint, the v.1 has gold stripe on front and v.2 apparently blue.

Anyhow, super-thanks for all the help. I will try to upgrade when have time and will report results here.

Thanks again
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 13:43    Post subject: Reply with quote
krembo99 wrote:
anyhow, during my search I also found another hint, the v.1 has gold stripe on front and v.2 apparently blue.

Anyhow, super-thanks for all the help. I will try to upgrade when have time and will report results here.

Thanks again

Not questioning your research.....
Also....with the v2's...the gold stripe is netgear
The blue stripe is the same hardware with a Charter cable firmware installed to be deployed by them..
A change of boardid is necessary to install netgear's firmware...or use <Kong>'s chk file with CH in it to install dd-wrt...
Pertains to v2's only (which should be clearly marked by the sticker on unit....also Charter's will have a CH in the serial #)


The other flag of miss installed firmware (somewhere along the line) to me is also your report of your router running at half the mhz for a v1....should be 600mhz.

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R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r53562 (10/03/23) Gateway
WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
krembo99
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2019 15:27    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
Not questioning your research.....

Hehe.. you can very well question it as it was not so deep.
Might as well was my wrong deduction.

Quote:
The other flag of miss installed firmware (somewhere along the line) to me is also your report of your router running at half the mhz for a v1....should be 600mhz.


there are a lot of strange things here, but I guess o one can know until I will test and upgrade. wrong case-scenario is a bricked old router Smile I have been planning to get the ASUS RT-AC5300, the LINKSYS WRT3200A
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