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notsolowki
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 20:02    Post subject: PTP extended wifi network Reply with quote
i have another house about 300 ft from my current home networ. i need at minimum 300mbs or higher. im having trouble picking suitable antennas for the performance i been reading people only getting 5mbs a second. i could not even consider speeds that slow. i would prefer 1gbs but at minimum i need the whole 300mbs to translate as close to 30MB/S as possible??
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 20:07    Post subject: Reply with quote
Or MikroTic...

Look at the last devices in my signature....
Been using them for arround five years now & their connection is consistent & solid in all weather conditions

Not that they are expensive...they do make cheaper units, but many are limited by not having gigabit lan.

Also make better....but price goes up rather sharply

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RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
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2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

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notsolowki
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 16:33    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks im going to research into that now. i been seeing these 2.4ghz directional antennas for $100 and read reviews of 5mbs have a clear line of sight to the house. never had to send a signal this far. i would consider ethranet if there wasnt a gravel road in between. so basically 2 of these $100 antennas and the right amplifiers and i can get the full speed of the router? would i get 2 of these ?

https://www.amazon.com/USB-Yagi-directional-Antenna-802-11n-2200mW/dp/B003LLS5JI/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=directional+wifi+antenna&qid=1553272656&s=gateway&sr=8-8

what amplifier should i buy. please excuse my knowledge in the subject.
notsolowki
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 16:50    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr_K wrote:
Or MikroTic...

Look at the last devices in my signature....
Been using them for arround five years now & their connection is consistent & solid in all weather conditions

Not that they are expensive...they do make cheaper units, but many are limited by not having gigabit lan.

Also make better....but price goes up rather sharply



could you give me a parts list for your setup i see alot of mikrotik equiptment on ebay not sure what all to choose. please educate me a little.

i have knowledge in networking just not antennas ptpetups. i have poe/poe+ switches 20+ ip cameras switches etc

i have my eye on this but not sure what else i need
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mikrotik-Routerboard-RBSXTG-5HPacD-SA-SXT-SA5-ac/303044167379?epid=11011372737&hash=item468ed706d3:g:AqsAAOSwnk5cUBZP&frcectupt=true
Dr_K
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 0:25    Post subject: Reply with quote
Basically just two SXT5ac units....

I did purchase ball type mounts from some stumbled apon site somewhere in Europe I believe...only bought for convenience, they come with pole mounts & poe injectors

Sorry its been so long I can't find where I got the mounts, I may have initially seen them on Mikritik's site....The units I purchased on Amazon but when I tried to get a link they are trying to tell me what I purchased were raw boards????

The one you found on ebay...is close...
You want two that do not have -SA on the end ....
Those have a 90° antenna beam...
Will only degrade your signal...and piss off your neighbors..

The -SA ones are for being a server to many non -SA clients, like on different buildings

I belive the non -SA ones have a 27° or 28° beam

I actually had to lower the signal strength by adjusting the antenna gain, (just one of the ways in the software & the way they recomend to raise/lower signal strength) as they have the ability to go much much further!....& I get nor create any interference on either end of link..

Oh yea...you will still need a router/AP at the other end as they only have one ethernet port...

Sounds like it won't effect you...but the software can look daunting at first....but after the "learning curve" it proves highly configurable & very effective..
I've been maintaining/updating/tweeking them for years remotely, never physically touching either units since I put them up.


After all this.. check out their web site..
Looks like they now have (SXTsq 5 ac) units for less than half the price....2 times smaller...twice the ram....less flash space for the firmware though....not really a big deal..

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WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 18:08    Post subject: Reply with quote
The lack of response makes me feel I should've explained more?

Among other things..the main thing with their licenses leavels is how many clients can be connected...

Preaty much a non issue in your situation, as in a PTP setup only one unit will have only one client...(the other unit)...it does not count any/all the contained traffic of the bridge.

As far as US & international models... In my opinion, is redundant.
Because if you select US as your regulatory domain in the software, it will limit the frequencies the same. Keeping you "in compliance"...if you need to care, depending on your location.
Just...I believe, the US model will not allow you to use a "Super Channel" or be obnoxious with your signal levels...both of which are nowhere near necessary for your stated distance.

Also I stated a router/AP needs to be at second location....
I suppose a simple gigabit hub would also work...as the dhcp is all handled by the Gateway at the main location in a normal setup.
Though I'm sure you'll no doubt want wifi at the second location..soo an AP...

Or...another Gateway...to eliminate any inter connectivity between the two locations, if that is what you seek?

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R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r53562 (10/03/23) Gateway
WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
notsolowki
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 15:25    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr_K wrote:
The lack of response makes me feel I should've explained more?

Among other things..the main thing with their licenses leavels is how many clients can be connected...

Preaty much a non issue in your situation, as in a PTP setup only one unit will have only one client...(the other unit)...it does not count any/all the contained traffic of the bridge.

As far as US & international models... In my opinion, is redundant.
Because if you select US as your regulatory domain in the software, it will limit the frequencies the same. Keeping you "in compliance"...if you need to care, depending on your location.
Just...I believe, the US model will not allow you to use a "Super Channel" or be obnoxious with your signal levels...both of which are nowhere near necessary for your stated distance.

Also I stated a router/AP needs to be at second location....
I suppose a simple gigabit hub would also work...as the dhcp is all handled by the Gateway at the main location in a normal setup.
Though I'm sure you'll no doubt want wifi at the second location..soo an AP...

Or...another Gateway...to eliminate any inter connectivity between the two locations, if that is what you seek?



sorry no you have explained it pretty good. thank you for the valuable information i would be chasing myself down a rabbit hole otherwise. ive been really busy rebuilding this house this week sorry. im looking at what i believe is the new antenna setup you spoke of. im not sure if it matter that it described these as locked to a specific frequency rage. when would this matter to me or at all? thanks again sorry for the late response

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mikrotik-SXTsq-5-ac-US-2-UNITS-RBSXTsqG-5acD-5Ghz-11ac-wireless-device/113656736198?hash=item1a767829c6:g:8ewAAOSwyUpcbaOv&frcectupt=true
notsolowki
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 15:52    Post subject: Reply with quote
also does the routerOS need a license key? will i have to purchase a license key to use these antennas? not 100% sure what to expect. maybe the license don't apply to me?
Dr_K
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
The licensing is better explained here
That unit looks to come with a level 3....most all pre built enclosed units come with some type of license

You shouldn't need to, but I suggest backing up your license from within the software to somewhere safe...Usually the only time you loose it is if you reformat the unit with software not supplied by them .. Use Netinstall if you mess things up bad enough?


That frequency lockout is the permanent US Regulatory domain I talked about earlier.. You could purchase from a supplier outside the US, or sometimes request an international model if you feel it will restrict you unjustly...just be careful if you're using it in an area that would be monitored for compliance, they are just covering their asses. & again.. if you set your Regulatory Domain to US on an international unit, it will be just as "compliant"...just not permanently.

A better explanation of different equipment can be found here
More specifically that unit you found here

I see no antenna beam within any description in these newer units... So I'm guessing none have the 90° width like the older units model # ending in -SA, Which again are not what you want for what you are wanting to do.

I still can't find that swivel type ball-mount I purchased, I see other types available, just not as ridged...not necessary, but may help a lot on initial install & alignment.


That "rabbit hole" you speak of, I was down for almost a year myself..Shocked As I originally tried to do it the way you originally mentioned....After loosing some hair with all the different variables, many not really documented..I then went in this direction & jumped down a few more, till I figured this all out Shocked

So I'm more than happy to help Wink


Disclaimer:


I have no affiliation with above referenced company. I'm just a person who found one of their solutions...& figured out how to utilize it on my own Smile

Also, I hope I'm not breaking any rules for being too off topic for these forums in my responses...but I feel they fit into the defined description of this General Questions forum...
Quote:
Requests that DONT belong to any other Subforum

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WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
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R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
notsolowki
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 22:43    Post subject: Reply with quote
thanks. i ordered everything i think im going to 3d print the mounting bracket. the ptp bridge will be about 250ft from point A to point B clear line of sight in a small private spaced out neighborhood consisting of 5 houses so interference "should not " be an issue im in a rather rural area. im curious to see the through put of this setup considering how cheap everything was. ill be running ddwrt routers at each end of the bridge
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 23:20    Post subject: Reply with quote
also im a little confused about routerOS. do i need anything specific like a computer with routerOS installed or a RouterBOARD? or will routeros be installed in the antenna device can i use them like ddwrt-antenna to antenna b to ddwrt
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 0:07    Post subject: Reply with quote
3d print....I am jealous..

Though the point I was making on the mounts was for having at least 2 axis adjustability...they definitely have a sweet spot to get optimum signal.

Your's being square will be easier to keep both level, as you can misaligne the two internal antennas if one unit is rotated different from the other otherwise.

Also, you'll probably need to turn them down a bit at your distance once aligned..a signal that is yelling is not better than one that talks.

Ontop of line of sight, you need to be a little concerned with the fresnel zone..don't ask me to explain the how & why but picture it like a buldged out area in the middle between the two unit's line of sight.

Since you are skeptical, I'm sure you will be impressed if they are anything like mine...their discription and specs say they are better, than more than a bit.
Though i don't think it could get any faster, without having a 3rd &/or 4th antenna in them.

Good luck Exclamation

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R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r53562 (10/03/23) Gateway
WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
notsolowki
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 0:40    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr_K wrote:
3d print....I am jealous..

Though the point I was making on the mounts was for having at least 2 axis adjustability...they definitely have a sweet spot to get optimum signal.

Your's being square will be easier to keep both level, as you can misaligne the two internal antennas if one unit is rotated different from the other otherwise.

Also, you'll probably need to turn them down a bit at your distance once aligned..a signal that is yelling is not better than one that talks.

Ontop of line of sight, you need to be a little concerned with the fresnel zone..don't ask me to explain the how & why but picture it like a buldged out area in the middle between the two unit's line of sight.

Since you are skeptical, I'm sure you will be impressed if they are anything like mine...their discription and specs say they are better, than more than a bit.
Though i don't think it could get any faster, without having a 3rd &/or 4th antenna in them.

Good luck Exclamation


how about the routerboard. do i need one at each end of the bridge? im not sure what i should do im a little confused about the whole routerOS thing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 0:51    Post subject: Reply with quote
notsolowki wrote:
also im a little confused about routerOS. do i need anything specific like a computer with routerOS installed or a RouterBOARD? or will routeros be installed in the antenna device can i use them like ddwrt-antenna to antenna b to ddwrt

It comes pre-installed

To configure you can use its webif...

Winbox..downloaded off their site or by clicking the tap in the webif of unit...

The free android app..there are a few there, but only one of them is made by them

Winbox being the most versatile & my choice.

Once set up...unles you are loged in to one or both to tweak or update them...the rest of your network will treat them like long ethernet cable...nothing more....unless of course you want them to do more...

_________________
Location 1
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r53562 (10/03/23) Gateway
WNDR3400v1 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
notsolowki
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 0:53    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr_K wrote:
notsolowki wrote:
also im a little confused about routerOS. do i need anything specific like a computer with routerOS installed or a RouterBOARD? or will routeros be installed in the antenna device can i use them like ddwrt-antenna to antenna b to ddwrt

It comes pre-installed

To configure you can use its webif...

Winbox..downloaded off their site or by clicking the tap in the webif of unit...

The free android app..there are a few there, but only one of them is made by them

Winbox being the most versatile & my choice.

Once set up...unles you are loged in to one or both to tweak or update them...the rest of your network will treat them like long ethernet cable...nothing more....unless of course you want them to do more...


im glad to hear this. i was worried they needed another piece of hardware with routerOS installed
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