Netgear WNDR3400 v1 first time flash help

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Turnblade
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:53    Post subject: Netgear WNDR3400 v1 first time flash help Reply with quote
Hello my loverly peeps. I'm a super noob.(I bricked my first try because I got impatient and misunderstood some basic things in the peacock thread.) Oh joy.

I think I'm ready to try again, but I'd like to double check. I have a Netgear WNDR3400 v1 that has never been flashed.

I plan on following the wiki instructions to flash the 35452 version of the firmware (dd-wrt.v24-35452_NEWD-2_K2.6_mini-WNDR3400.chk)

and then upgrade to the big version of the same build (dd-wrt.v24-35452_NEWD-2_K2.6_big-nv64k.bin) because the wiki says to use a big or mega nv64 to attain use of the USB port, but it also says lots of stuff that scares me away from anything mega. Heh.

Is this a sound plan? Am I missing anything obvious? Am I going to brick another router? Did I accidentally not read something, heaven forbid?

Help a girl out, will ya?

A big shout out to Scootch, who seems to have tried out every build on this router possible. It's your posts that helped me decide which build to use.
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Dr_K
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 18:09    Post subject: Reply with quote
I stopped using K2.6 quite awhile ago, so no input there.

I can not comment on that particular initial flash as the one I used is no longer publicly available

Currently I'm running dd-wrt.v3.0-r35531_mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) on my WNDR3400v1 located @ https://download1.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/downloads/betas/2018/03-26-2018-r35531/broadcom_K3X/dd-wrt.v24-35531_NEWD-2_K3.x_mega-nv64k.bin

wiki now says to only use trailered builds? "should" be ok but I personally never tried it after initial flash..(as original guides suggested not to & to stick with "nv64k" builds)

Just a note...this and all K3 builds fill the flash so there is no room for a jffs2 partition....but you have a USB port so you can create your own (which is better & more stable anyways)

I did not flash a K2.6 mini of same build # first, but wiki now says to do so, so it should not hurt.

Though currently using as an AP, I also tested this build as a Gateway for awhile

That router likes you to give it time...after flashes & resets

Not mentioned any longer in wiki...but I usually follow the old school approach when flashing that router...

1: 30/30/30......wait 5-10 min.....pull power cord....wait at lest 10 sec....repower....wait till amber power light turns green

2: flash firmware....wait 5-10 min.....pull power cord....wait at lest 10 sec....repower....wait till amber power light turns green

3: repeat step 1...

4: DO NOT rush it....it is good practice to do this after every flash

I've had a bad experience flashing with "Reset to Defaults" checked once on that router....so I wouldn't...

It is safe to perform a mvram erase on builds after 4/18 or erase nvram on builds prior on that route, many claim it resets to defaults better....ONLY through SSH or telnet

As far as your question "Am I going to brick another router?"......maybe/probably at some point....that's the risk we all take here

Usually it is never truly "bricked", as most times it can easily be recovered by one of several methods

All the above is my opinion & experience's....take or leave what you want

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 18:31    Post subject: Re: Netgear WNDR3400 v1 first time flash help Reply with quote
Turnblade wrote:
I have a Netgear WNDR3400 v1 that has never been flashed.

I plan on following the wiki instructions to flash the 35452 version of the firmware (dd-wrt.v24-35452_NEWD-2_K2.6_mini-WNDR3400.chk)

and then upgrade to the big version of the same build (dd-wrt.v24-35452_NEWD-2_K2.6_big-nv64k.bin) because the wiki says to use a big or mega nv64 to attain use of the USB port, but it also says lots of stuff that scares me away from anything mega.
Recent k2.6 builds are broken.
See: https://svn.dd-wrt.com/ticket/6538

Wow that wiki is a mess. :-/ I'd suggest using a k3x build, and it is advised to use the trailed build to go from k26 to k3x. nv64k -should- be fine after that, but I don't have this model (I have a WNDR4000 that I always use k3x nv64k on). After the trailed k2.6 mini, try k3x 35531 for a while, it is well regarded. Recent builds (post-krack, 33772+) have had wireless issues. Before trying newer builds, always research the new build threads to avoid issues. Good luck Smile

And please report back, I'll update that wiki soon. Wink

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Dr_K
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 19:47    Post subject: Re: Netgear WNDR3400 v1 first time flash help Reply with quote
jwh7 wrote:
I'll update that wiki soon. Wink

@jwh7 If/when you update that wiki page...

Among other changes...could you please finally get rid of that "Kong 22000++ Recommended build for this router VPN build"?

Years ago it didn't have that now added disclaimer "(Has been known to brick router)".....which sadly encouraged me to "brick" my router Evil or Very Mad

Though it now has the misleadingly suggestive warning...I find it aggravating to say the least every time I see it, as I've searched it several times in the past & have never found any reports of it not being bad on that router Evil or Very Mad

We all respect & trust @<Kong>...but a bad build for a router has no place in its wiki under "Recommended build for this router" even with a note of "potential" harm

Thank You for your efforts

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WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
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E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
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2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
Turnblade
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 20:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, globs of flying excrement. I hate it when I spend a whole bunch of time on a thing and it turns out to be mostly useless.

So, let me clarify here:

-Even though the Wiki says to use k26, I should not do that. Or at least I shouldn't do that with a recent one....how recent is "recent"?

-jwh7 you said "I'd suggest using a k3x build, and it is advised to use the trailed build to go from k26 to k3x. nv64k" I have not flashed the router yet, so do I start with a k26 for the initial firmware flash or not?

-I'm apparently researching the builds wrong because I went over all the newest ones named "new build..." that had someone who had tried it on my same model router. 35452 seemed to be the newest one without issues. Did I miss something? Should I be reading all the comments about other routers? How would that help me?

-The wiki page I'm using is this: https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Netgear_WNDR3400 This is the wiki you're all referring to, right?

-What is this trac website that I keep seeing links to? Every time I follow the posted link it seems to have nothing to do with the topic it was posted on. Perhaps my brain is just not fluent enough in tech talk to get this.

-The Peacock thread has recommended builds on it, but all the k26 ones are really really old and don't have my router name in it like the wiki says it should. Should I be picking a k3x from the peacock thread to do the initial flash?

Sorry for all the questions. Like I said, I'm a super noob. Hopefully I can get un-lost soon.

I'm planning to use this router as an AP.

Thank you both for responding.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 21:24    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turnblade wrote:
-Even though the Wiki says to use k26, I should not do that. Or at least I shouldn't do that with a recent one....how recent is "recent"?

-jwh7 you said "I'd suggest using a k3x build, and it is advised to use the trailed build to go from k26 to k3x. nv64k" I have not flashed the router yet, so do I start with a k26 for the initial firmware flash or not?

-I'm apparently researching the builds wrong because I went over all the newest ones named "new build..." that had someone who had tried it on my same model router. 35452 seemed to be the newest one without issues. Did I miss something? Should I be reading all the comments about other routers? How would that help me?

-The wiki page I'm using is this: https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Netgear_WNDR3400 This is the wiki you're all referring to, right?

-What is this trac website that I keep seeing links to? Every time I follow the posted link it seems to have nothing to do with the topic it was posted on. Perhaps my brain is just not fluent enough in tech talk to get this.

-The Peacock thread has recommended builds on it, but all the k26 ones are really really old and don't have my router name in it like the wiki says it should. Should I be picking a k3x from the peacock thread to do the initial flash?
By recent I specifically mean the referenced ticket (which is the trac SVN site), that (at least thru 38507) k26 fails after 38253. Note that you need to be aware of k2.6 vs k3.x when researching builds, cuz one working or failing likely doesn't apply to the other.

But if you found a good reference (35452), go for it. Note that different modes can affect the observed stability/issues. As far as flashing direct to k3x from OEM...that used to be discouraged, but some have done it, so unless you find someone specifically referring to your device, it's up to you to try it. Smile Having fun yet? And yes, that is the referred wiki.

The Peacock is more of a guide now, for historical purposes. In general, it is advised to flash the trailed build (router in the name) to go from OEM to DD, or from k26 to k3x (for routers that support k3x, and aren't 4MB flash models, cuz...there are several of them and the devs don't seem to care to remove them). You can probably flash straight to k3x trailed from OEM, and I know some have on some models, but might be model and version dependent.

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Turnblade
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 22:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
jwh7 wrote:
Smile Having fun yet?


Loads.

K, imma double check a couple of things and give it a try. *crosses fingers for luck*



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Turnblade
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 22:38    Post subject: Reply with quote
jwh7 wrote:

Note that you need to be aware of k2.6 vs k3.x when researching builds, cuz one working or failing likely doesn't apply to the other.

But if you found a good reference (35452), go for it.


Nope, you're right, I was looking at this thread here https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=314327&highlight=wndr3400

The comment by Scootcha is halfway down the first page. Scootcha was not only using a k3 build but also the mega. Soooo I guess I would need to find the tailed version of the k3 or k26 and figure out which one I want to try. As for the upgrade is it safe to assume that the Mega k3 version and the big k3 version will work similarly? Or am I venturing into unknown territory no matter what I do here?

Do you have a different build you would recommend looking into?

I guess I could do a more specific search, but I'm thinking that I'd like to hit that safer window between the Krack problems and the wifi problems.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 0:38    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've had DD-WRT v24-sp2 (06/07/14) stdkong - build 22000M on one of these for years it has worked fine as a bridge but maybe it is time to switch to a post krack build. But then I don't know if switch from kong to 3.x is safe.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 0:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ugh...I hate that show Razz
Turnblade wrote:
Scootcha was not only using a k3 build but also the mega. Soooo I guess I would need to find the tailed version of the k3 or k26 and figure out which one I want to try. As for the upgrade is it safe to assume that the Mega k3 version and the big k3 version will work similarly? Or am I venturing into unknown territory no matter what I do here?
Hmm, on recent builds, k3.x 'big' is ~26 MB, and has no nv64k anymore. On k2.6, big had e.g. the ntfs driver, so not sure on the less recent k3.x. Ref for k2.6 diffs (outdated but a good guide): https://wiki.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F#V24_pre_sp2_K26

If you're gonna flash from OEM to k3x, be sure to use the trailed build (I assume you know if your model needs the CVNA or not...). The 'safer' route is to flash k2.6 mini trailed to k3.x trailed. If you upgrade in the future from k3.x, you can use (at least is typical of other devices) the nv64k build. Let us know how it goes Smile
/turns and runs...

Nuor wrote:
But then I don't know if switch from kong to 3.x is safe.
Flashing from a Kong build wouldn't be any different; still use a trailed build if going from k26 to k3x. Unless it totally fails for Turnblade... Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:30    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't think I'm visible here....so I'm gonna chat out loud to myself Cool

All this chatter made me look at the build folder with r35531..for the 3rd time now today...the one I autolinked to....did I mention that I currently use & tested it in different ways..oh yes...for comming up on a year now...or that I've been running dd-wrt on that router for around 10 years...

Anyhow....something strange...

The trailered build...WNDR3400.chk..is smaller than
The nv64k.bin??

Often times in the past this was the opposite as the trailered build contains extra header info...

Which is also the reason...for longer than not... it was said to avoid it unless specifically needed as the extra byts could tend to push the size over the limits of the flash...causing a "brick"

I wounder what it is missing??

Anyhow...carry on...

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WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:41    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh....and r17990 was truly a solid build...all variants

Not that I was asked...but

If I was to pick another initial flash fron stock again...it would be a mini build from that era....

That was back when the devs cared about that unit....and actually tested it

Just my thoughts...

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WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
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R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:12    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr_K wrote:
Oh....and r17990 was truly a solid build...all variants

If I was to pick another initial flash fron stock again...it would be a mini build from that era....

That was back when the devs cared about that unit....and actually tested it


Thank you! And no, you're not invisible, I was directing my questions to anybody who might have an answer. I wasn't sure what to do with your initial post because I wasn't sure which build to use for the first flash. I just got hung up on that detail. Do I need to worry about r17990 being too old? The router that I bricked had problems because the firmware I was flashing was older than the router. ...that and I think I used a bad build to begin with.

So much information to sift through. I'll check out those other builds too. Thank you for the recommendation.



jwh7 wrote:
Ugh...I hate that show


I've only ever seen snippets of it. It accurately portrays the panic though.

Speaking of panic, what is CVNA?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:23    Post subject: Reply with quote
One more thing. After the initial flash with a .chk file, do I use .bin after that forever more?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:35    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turnblade wrote:
Do I need to worry about r17990 being too old?

No it is only a stepping stone to get dd-wrt on it....don't forget to 30/30...or at least reset to defaults

Turnblade wrote:
because the firmware I was older than the router

Do NOT ever flash a build that predates the origional trailard .chk build date for that router

Look up WNDR3400v1's own build thread....somewhere in Broadcom forum...I believe page 5 is where @Eko released the first test build.....check its build number.....trust nobody...

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WRT160Nv3 DD-WRT ?v3?.0-r35531 mini (03/26/18 ) Access Point
WRT54GSv5 DD-WRT v24-r33555_micro_generic (10/20/17) Repeater
Location 2
R7800- DD-WRT v3.0-r51855 (02/25/23) Gateway
R6300v2- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10-26-22) Access Point
WNDR3700v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 std (03/26/18 ) Access Point
E1200 v2 DD-WRT v3.0-r35531 mega-nv64k (03/26/18 ) Gateway(for trivial reasons)
RBWAPG-5HACT2HND-BE RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) Outdoor Access Point
2x RBSXTG-5HPACD RouterOS-v6.46.4 (2/21/20) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN
Location 3
2x R7000- DD-WRT v3.0-r50671 (10/26/22) Access Points
2x RBWAPG-60AD RouterOS-v6.45.9 (04/30/20) PTP Bridge 2.3Gbps-1GbpsLAN
2x RBSXTsqG-5acD RouterOS-v6.49.7 (10/14/22) PTP Bridge 866.6Mbps-1GbpsLAN

Thank You BrainSlayer for ALL that you do & have done, also to "most" everyone here that shares their knowledge
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