New (KONG) Test Build - 10/25/2018 (UPDATE 7)

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labrok
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:10    Post subject: Reply with quote
nickant wrote:
I had briefly tried OpenWRT v18.06.1 on my EA8500 and noticed that they use Kernel 4.14.
Maybe rather than getting 4.9 to work the way people want, Kong might want to move to 4.14 and optimize for this newer kernel.


I have tried it too, but my impressions were not the best, low TX/RX power....samba is too slow (50% than usual) wifi driver seems not working as it should to.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:34    Post subject: Reply with quote
labrok wrote:
tatsuya46 wrote:
stalonge wrote:
labrok wrote:
jerrytouille wrote:
Alozaros wrote:
vit5421 wrote:
The latency is still far behind on 4.9


for some odd reason im looking forward for 3.18 builds....
if soon


Yes please


i am with you, but instead of looking to turn back to a -working but already old-kernel maybe should be better to help kong fix the newer one? Neither i can be 100% sure for my EA-8500 with k4 that it will work fluently, proven that it isnt but i believe its better to help him fix the newer kernel than staying to the old one, even my old and cheap 1043ND is onb k4 without issues, even qos is perfect, its a pitty for my expensive EA-8500 to remain to the old one!



I dont know why .. but my dsl report get sometimes A in bufferbloat and sometimes B ... Of course i know that have some work to do ..

my wan link is 240/24 ( cable ) .. i am in Brazil .. this situation could change the results ?

Very Happy Very Happy


stop looking at dslreports "grading", its algorithm is terrible and pathetic, look at the actual down and upload latency. be sure hi-res bufferbloat is enabled in settings.

and if possible, make sure ur browser doesnt have a stupidly low timer precision to "protect" against spectre/meltdown (its pointless and makes browsers inaccurate, undo it if allowed to)


Good to know it, but how? Never have seen such setting on Mozilla which i am using!


go to about:config in url bar

set these:

privacy.reduceTimerPrecision = false
privacy.resistFingerprinting.reduceTimerPrecision.jitter = false



and if u use firefox sync, set these too so the setting is synced:

services.sync.prefs.sync.privacy.reduceTimerPrecision = true
services.sync.prefs.sync.privacy.resistFingerprinting.reduceTimerPrecision.jitter = true



now check before and after on dslreports look at browser cpu, for me on windows 10 pro x64 17763 i7 8700k:

before: Browser CPU fast (74375)
after: Browser CPU very fast (172232)

also gives me lower puma6 latency with firefox, same as edge now.



nickant wrote:
I had briefly tried OpenWRT v18.06.1 on my EA8500 and noticed that they use Kernel 4.14.
Maybe rather than getting 4.9 to work the way people want, Kong might want to move to 4.14 and optimize for this newer kernel.


been tried, no difference. even though qualcomm atheros has a 4.14 tree and not 4.9 im guessing kong is opting to say with 4.9 cause thats what BS is on.. (considering 4.14 had no better differences vs it)

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 11:27    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm getting an F for Bufferbloat on my EA8500.
I'm on adsl2+
All services are static leases.
No qos setup at present.
OpenVPN Client running.
Any settings I can change to help fix this?

EDIT:
Added QoS (HTB + FQ_CODEL)
Tested on Linux Mint PC after modifying Firefox timing
Now gives a rating of C or D

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htismaqe
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 14:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kong,

Are there more immediate updates coming or is the 10/17 build it for a few days? I don't want to get into upgrading every few hours right now.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 0:05    Post subject: Reply with quote
nickant wrote:
I'm getting an F for Bufferbloat on my EA8500.
I'm on adsl2+
All services are static leases.
No qos setup at present.
OpenVPN Client running.
Any settings I can change to help fix this?

EDIT:
Added QoS (HTB + FQ_CODEL)
Tested on Linux Mint PC after modifying Firefox timing
Now gives a rating of C or D


It is important to set a percentage of your total bandwidth, not the total bandwidth if you didn't already by any chance. Try 90% of your bandwidth and bufferbloat should improve. It is all about finding the sweet spot.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 0:36    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've tried 80, 85 and 90%
Best rating so far is a B with C being the average.

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dareino
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:38    Post subject: Reply with quote
nickant wrote:
I've tried 80, 85 and 90%
Best rating so far is a B with C being the average.


You need to post your "rating" on what the bufferbloat indicates in ms as tatsuya46 mentioned the gradings are worthless.
I have a 250/10 plan and so far using the latest 3.18, my blufferbloat is 163 d/l , 37 up and and 38ms idle..ya i know it sucks,,,,,still trying to find that "sweet spot"... Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:32    Post subject: Reply with quote
This gets a C grade (from Linux PC on ethernet to EA8500) :

Idle = 400ms
DL = 503ms
UL = 683ms
DL Speed = 11.03
UL Speed = 0.536

...and you think yours sucks!

If I remove QoS, after a router restart, I get this D:

Idle = 500ms
DL = 567ms
UL = 1056ms
DL Speed = 12.76
UL Speed = 0.909

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tatsuya46
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:48    Post subject: Reply with quote
nickant wrote:
This gets a C grade (from Linux PC on ethernet to EA8500) :

Idle = 400ms
DL = 503ms
UL = 683ms
DL Speed = 11.03
UL Speed = 0.536

...and you think yours sucks!

If I remove QoS, after a router restart, I get this D:

Idle = 500ms
DL = 567ms
UL = 1056ms
DL Speed = 12.76
UL Speed = 0.909


what are u on..? satellite? 3g?

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[QUALCOMM] DIR-862L --------------------------------> r55797 std
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:53    Post subject: Reply with quote
ADSL2+

Note that the OpenVPN Client is running and connected to a server interstate.

With so little available speed, especially upload, I have taken QoS off - the speed hit is too high.

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tatsuya46
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
then u set it wrong.. 500ms of bufferbloat is... disgusting. id pay about $0.01 a month for that tops.
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BrainSlayer wrote:
we just do it since we do not like any restrictions enforced by stupid cocaine snorting managers

[x86_64] Haswell i3-4150/QCA9984/QCA9882 ------> r55797 std
[QUALCOMM] DIR-862L --------------------------------> r55797 std
▲ ACTIVE / INACTIVE ▼
[QUALCOMM] WNDR4300 v1 --------------------------> r50485 std
[BROADCOM] DIR-860L A1 ----------------------------> r50485 std


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:28    Post subject: Reply with quote
What a mess. I'm on VDSL 100/40 now and this is bullshit, without qos my download rates are worse than with qos, the reson is because telecom qos kicks in once ping gets too high and then throttles.

See this, without qos:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570189
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570291

With qos set to 91000/33000:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570480

Anyways, I see your issue now tatsuya, my cpu load jumps to100%.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:56    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:
What a mess. I'm on VDSL 100/40 now and this is bullshit, without qos my download rates are worse than with qos, the reson is because telecom qos kicks in once ping gets too high and then throttles.

See this, without qos:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570189
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570291

With qos set to 91000/33000:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570480

Anyways, I see your issue now tatsuya, my cpu load jumps to100%.


with what packet scheduler+queueing discipline?

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BrainSlayer wrote:
we just do it since we do not like any restrictions enforced by stupid cocaine snorting managers

[x86_64] Haswell i3-4150/QCA9984/QCA9882 ------> r55797 std
[QUALCOMM] DIR-862L --------------------------------> r55797 std
▲ ACTIVE / INACTIVE ▼
[QUALCOMM] WNDR4300 v1 --------------------------> r50485 std
[BROADCOM] DIR-860L A1 ----------------------------> r50485 std


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:02    Post subject: Reply with quote
tatsuya46 wrote:
<Kong> wrote:
What a mess. I'm on VDSL 100/40 now and this is bullshit, without qos my download rates are worse than with qos, the reson is because telecom qos kicks in once ping gets too high and then throttles.

See this, without qos:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570189
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570291

With qos set to 91000/33000:

http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/40570480

Anyways, I see your issue now tatsuya, my cpu load jumps to100%.


with what packet scheduler+queueing discipline?


I tried HFSC+FQ_CODEL and the same happens with HTB+FQ_CODEL and that doesn't make sense, as I only had around 15% CPU load on my 50/10 line. Have not done a test with 3.18.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:04    Post subject: Reply with quote
With the r37420M I have some wifi issue.

When the router is up from a more than 8-10 hours, happen than some packet drop or the connection go down for a little, very little time.

I noticed this streaming a local content to my kodi player. If I reboot the router all ok, then after 8-10 hours the problem return. During a stream kodi skip to the next file or became black and freeze or make a buffer (file are not so big and the distance is very short). No problem with the old release
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