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bschuhma
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 14:49    Post subject: Should I expect faster speeds? Reply with quote
Hi all,

I have an Archer C7 v2, a 1700AC router, running DD-WRT v3.0-r33006 std (08/03/17). I'm running N-based cards in my Mac, one floor below the router, with an 80% link strength. The router is set for "Mixed" mode, though setting to N-only has no apparent effect on speed.

My ISP net connection is 300M up and down... hardwired at the router I can see this. Via wifi I get from 20M-50M up and down. I'm testing at beta.speedtest.net, FWIW.

This seems abysmal. I know I'm not going to get the full 300M via wifi, but the N standard is about 450M, isn't it? I would think I'd get 200-250M, not 10-20% of that. Does having the A band limit me to 50M? Like I said, setting to N only doesn't seem to help.

I've looked at a couple tweaking guides and tried fooling around with RTS, and a few other settings, but I don't see any improvement. Most of my settings are defaults. I turned off all my QoS settings, too.

Does all this sound normal or should I expect better? If I should expect better, can you point me to a doc that suggests optimization changes you've found helpful, please? I'll keep looking - this doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks,

Bret
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 15:32    Post subject: Re: Should I expect faster speeds? Reply with quote
bschuhma wrote:
Hi all,

I have an Archer C7 v2, a 1700AC router, running DD-WRT v3.0-r33006 std (08/03/17). I'm running N-based cards in my Mac, one floor below the router, with an 80% link strength. The router is set for "Mixed" mode, though setting to N-only has no apparent effect on speed.

My ISP net connection is 300M up and down... hardwired at the router I can see this. Via wifi I get from 20M-50M up and down. I'm testing at beta.speedtest.net, FWIW.

This seems abysmal. I know I'm not going to get the full 300M via wifi, but the N standard is about 450M, isn't it? I would think I'd get 200-250M, not 10-20% of that. Does having the A band limit me to 50M? Like I said, setting to N only doesn't seem to help.

I've looked at a couple tweaking guides and tried fooling around with RTS, and a few other settings, but I don't see any improvement. Most of my settings are defaults. I turned off all my QoS settings, too.

Does all this sound normal or should I expect better? If I should expect better, can you point me to a doc that suggests optimization changes you've found helpful, please? I'll keep looking - this doesn't seem right to me.

Thanks,

Bret

From what I saw on c7 reviews you won't get much more than ~90mbps on that one with 100% signal strength, so you are not far from those numbers. Check that you are using WPA2/AES, choose the least used channel among 1,6 and 11, and try with 20mhz channel width.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 17:35    Post subject: Thanks! Reply with quote
Thanks, Xeon2k8. Rats, I see what you mean now... just checked out some reviews, too. Looks like it's time to upgrade. Maybe a Talon AD7200...

Thanks,

Bret
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 18:23    Post subject: Reply with quote
u need a r7800.. whatever talon ad 7200 is ull end up back here wondering why ddwrt dont work on it, i know that much about it, cause its unsupported.. & ad is garbage that jacks up the price for range that is equal to the width of an uncooked spaghetti noodle.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:37    Post subject: Reply with quote
well.....,Archer C7 has a very slow CPU so max WAN speed is very hypothetical...
with stock drives you have Hardware Nat Support...so it does well...

to enable that in DD-WRT log in to GUI Setup>Basic set up>Optional Settings>SFE enable...

SFE is still in development so do not expect miracles...

anyway if you 'd need a heavy duty router save the hassle and get one R7800.... Smile

p.s. those advertised Wi-Fi speeds are only LAN to LAN Smile most of those single core CPU routers are not designed for a modern internet speeds WAN 200Mbit+

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 16:59    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alozaros wrote:
... Archer C7 ...
with stock drives you have Hardware Nat Support...so it does well...

to enable that in DD-WRT log in to GUI Setup>Basic set up>Optional Settings>SFE enable...

SFE is still in development so do not expect miracles...

Hi
Where you have this option? I have not this on my version, build 33180 now. Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 20:34    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmm i had a believe SFE is available for all 8MB + flash size routers !!!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 20:48    Post subject: Reply with quote
My Archer C7 V2.0 have 16MB of the flash memory, but I have not this feature. But my is the IL version. This not should be the problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 22:25    Post subject: SFE Reply with quote
SFE or Shortcut Forwarding Engine is an option on the Setup - Basic Setup page of almost all routers now running a build after 33006 I believe.

Please note, it may still break QoS at this point, it is very much a work in progress.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 22:49    Post subject: Re: SFE Reply with quote
ian5142 wrote:
SFE or Shortcut Forwarding Engine is an option on the Setup - Basic Setup page of almost all routers now running a build after 33006 I believe.

Please note, it may still break QoS at this point, it is very much a work in progress.

Wow! Thank you, gentlemen, Alozaros and Ian, I found it like Shortcut Forwarding Engine. It is ON in my configuration by default. I'll test it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 13:39    Post subject: Re: SFE Reply with quote
B@R wrote:
ian5142 wrote:
SFE or Shortcut Forwarding Engine is an option on the Setup - Basic Setup page of almost all routers now running a build after 33006 I believe.

Please note, it may still break QoS at this point, it is very much a work in progress.

Wow! Thank you, gentlemen, Alozaros and Ian, I found it like Shortcut Forwarding Engine. It is ON in my configuration by default. I'll test it.

The only reason I think SFE *could* work is because it will off-load the CPU from WAN traffic and will focus on WLAN traffic. If that doesn't happen then it's useless.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 13:43    Post subject: Reply with quote
My Internet speeds are 100/2 Mbits. For speeds like my, the router works well, but if SFE may impact to QoS it is not good news. I had running some test and not got any clear result about both of variants.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 13:54    Post subject: Re: Should I expect faster speeds? Reply with quote
bschuhma wrote:
Hi all,

I have an Archer C7 v2, a 1700AC router, running DD-WRT v3.0-r33006 std (08/03/17). I'm running N-based cards

My ISP net connection is 300M up and down


I have the same router running on build 31899 and the same bandwidth as you. For me on build 31899 it works better:

WAN -> LAN: 216M down and 200M up
WAN -> WLAN: 150M down and 150 up - this on the 5GHz band.

A good reason not to update to a newer version yet.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:45    Post subject: Re: Should I expect faster speeds? Reply with quote
The "n" routers may do 36 megabits in the presence of interference, even if your laptop is nearly atop the router. Although it may seem counter-intuitive to select the 20/narrow-channels on purpose, that gives you the opportunity to go up to 150 megabits (on a 300n) if you can find a reasonably clear channel. So, be sure to use the wifi survey feature.

There's also this command:
nvram set et_dispatch_mode=1


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tatsuya46
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:07    Post subject: Reply with quote
his router is unfit for those speeds with nat anyway, & theres a wifi settings link below as well...
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[QUALCOMM] DIR-862L --------------------------------> r55797 std
▲ ACTIVE / INACTIVE ▼
[QUALCOMM] WNDR4300 v1 --------------------------> r50485 std
[BROADCOM] DIR-860L A1 ----------------------------> r50485 std


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