600mbps 2.4GHz wifi link anyone?

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maurer
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:03    Post subject: 600mbps 2.4GHz wifi link anyone? Reply with quote
Long story short my only solution to upgrade the wifi in my home office is via 2.4 wifi (powerline is not an option).
I have a low budget and don't want to invest in AX tech for now.
Is anyone running a 600mbps 2.4GHz link between routers or router and 600mbps compatible client (desktop pci devices?) ?
I'm looking to get above 200mbps - forgot to add i have 4 brick walls to cover with wifi - is it feasible or I'm just dreaming ?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:26    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think you are dreaming

Lets make the Math, per channel 72 Mb/s so if you set 40 MHz channel width you will get 150 Mb/s.

Almost all clients are two stream (antenna's) so most clients can connect at 300 Mb/s under optimal circumstances.

The net throughput is about 2/3 so the nominal throughput under optimal circumstances is about 200 Mb/s

Factor in 4 brick walls and it will be a lot less.

AX tech is no miracle tech and will not get you much more

I have cables throughout my whole house, if you cannot do that the new Powerline adapters can sometimes also be a good alternative

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:44    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc wrote:
I think you are dreaming

Lets make the Math, per channel 72 Mb/s so if you set 40 MHz channel width you will get 150 Mb/s.

Almost all clients are two stream (antenna's) so most clients can connect at 300 Mb/s under optimal circumstances.


with 256-QAM (TurboQAM) there are
400Mbit 2x2
600Mbit 3x3
800Mbit 4x4

but both routers, respectively the router and client must support TurboQAM.
which data rates are reached under the individual conditions (through 4 walls?) can be guessed at best.
in addition, 2.4Ghz is very susceptible to interference and crowded due to the small number of channels.
maurer
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:15    Post subject: Reply with quote
ho1Aetoo wrote:
egc wrote:
I think you are dreaming

Lets make the Math, per channel 72 Mb/s so if you set 40 MHz channel width you will get 150 Mb/s.

Almost all clients are two stream (antenna's) so most clients can connect at 300 Mb/s under optimal circumstances.


with 256-QAM (TurboQAM) there are
400Mbit 2x2
600Mbit 3x3
800Mbit 4x4

but both routers, respectively the router and client must support TurboQAM.
which data rates are reached under the individual conditions (through 4 walls?) can be guessed at best.
in addition, 2.4Ghz is very susceptible to interference and crowded due to the small number of channels.


Yes I want to use 2x TurboQAM enabled cheap SH routers like rt-ac66u.

So anyone with 2x TurboQAM routers/router + client ?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:37    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't have the routers but I get up to 390Mbit throughput with my Atheros router under good conditions (with little interference from the neighbors) at a PHY / link rate of 600Mbit.

But with 5m distance and not through 4 walls.
In addition, as I said, it also depends on how crowded the WLAN is (interference from neighbors).
the entire 2.4Ghz spectrum is just enough for 2x40Mhz channels (interference-free operation is practically impossible)

With increasing distance of course also the PHY rate decreases

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#/media/File:NonOverlappingChannels2.4GHzWLAN-en.svg
maurer
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:48    Post subject: Reply with quote
I know the theory - just need some feedback from the "field" Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 13:34    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have an R7000 set as a repeater bridge which is 35ft and 5 brick walls (2 of which are cavity) from the main router and get the speeds shown in this jpg. Does that help?

The ISP contract is also 100Mbps and that is what I even get at the bridge. The bridge is connected via 2.4Ghz with an AP set as 5Ghz which is what I connect to.



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maurer
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 15:15    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mr R Design wrote:
I have an R7000 set as a repeater bridge which is 35ft and 5 brick walls (2 of which are cavity) from the main router and get the speeds shown in this jpg. Does that help?

The ISP contract is also 100Mbps and that is what I even get at the bridge. The bridge is connected via 2.4Ghz with an AP set as 5Ghz which is what I connect to.

thanks - I already get close to 100mbps via the current 300mbps link so I was hoping for an upgrade to TurboQAM routers (200mbps+)
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