Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:03 Post subject: Why are web pages hard coded in HTTPD ?
From version v23 SP1 to v23 SP3 onwards there is a huge difference in the httpd package and executable.
In SP3 onwards several html pages are hardcoded in an html.c component, that getting linked with httpd makes the executable grow from only 300K to more than 1 Megabyte.
I reckon that this is overkill in that it takes away a lot of valuable memory mostly from those routers that do not have plenty to play with.
I have tried to think of the possible advantages, the only one could be a gain in response time from the admin console, however this would not justify the waste of memory because the admin console is supposed to be used only occasionally when configuration changes are required. In a normal environment in fact the admin console should get almost forgotten once the router is configured.
The encoded html also makes almost impossible to bring any modification/improvement to the firmware.
Please, can we have this brought back to a simple httpd server without any embedded html page?
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 13:00 Post subject:
I second that, it's much easier for us to add a page to the webserver (the old fashioned way) without having to compile it all. _________________ Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (latest available) mega
WRT320N
Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: the Netherlands
Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 15:42 Post subject:
confused_user wrote:
Simple answer. To prevent such users like you and others to modify the firmware and sell it as your own.
If you like to modify the DD-WRT firmware you have to recompile it or pay Sebastian to do it for you.
Well, as you might not know, I've donated twice already and will donate every year... I've also contributed to the project so...
Even if you want you can still compile it yourself THEN you can sell it as your own.
But by modifying the asp files and placing them on a MMC card to, for example, adding a page to control ventrilo server running on the router, you are not selling it. But modifying to fit your own needs...
So with your reply your saying that if you modify something you're immediately selling it? Come on. It used to work just by changing the path of the www-folder and copying the files to another folder on the router or MMC card, it has even been explained in the wiki, so your allowed to do that. _________________ Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (latest available) mega
WRT320N
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Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 16:10 Post subject:
Yes that's true, but most of those users won't be reselling DD-WRT to other customers, since they can't build an image to flash "their customers" routers with.
In that case it wouldn't matter if the asp files we're easy to edit. _________________ Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (latest available) mega
WRT320N
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:50 Post subject:
Thnx eko for your reply, too bad it isn't that easy anymore to edit the pages _________________ Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (latest available) mega
WRT320N
Simple answer. To prevent such users like you and others to modify the firmware and sell it as your own.
Nobody can sell this firmware because it is under the GPL, if it were under the LGPL it could be modified and sold by anyone without having to release the source.
The GPL requires explicitly that any modification to the original code have to be distributed with their source code. That is why Linksys, in compliance with the GPL has released openWRT.
I think its better ... he made it very modular so its easy to add an remove shit from the gui by just adding one #. People were selling it on ebay for a long time and I think it was a good idea to do what he did. I don't see anymore sites selling "jo blows firmware to turn a $60 router into a $600 router". The code is a fucking mess, but once you figure out how it works it all makes sense. I just wish he would post the snapshots i hate grabbing the svn its so big
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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 18:34 Post subject:
trey504 wrote:
People were selling it on ebay for a long time and I think it was a good idea to do what he did.
You've got a point there, it are always those asses who ruin it for others... _________________ Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (latest available) mega
WRT320N
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 7492 Location: Dresden, Germany
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 23:39 Post subject:
haydude wrote:
confused_user wrote:
Simple answer. To prevent such users like you and others to modify the firmware and sell it as your own.
Nobody can sell this firmware because it is under the GPL, if it were under the LGPL it could be modified and sold by anyone without having to release the source.
The GPL requires explicitly that any modification to the original code have to be distributed with their source code. That is why Linksys, in compliance with the GPL has released openWRT.
HD
thats not true. you can sell firmwares under gpl, but you must always offer the sourcecode _________________ "So you tried to use the computer and it started smoking? Sounds like a Mac to me.." - Louis Rossmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL_5YDRWqGE&t=60s
Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 7492 Location: Dresden, Germany
Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 23:40 Post subject:
trey504 wrote:
I think its better ... he made it very modular so its easy to add an remove shit from the gui by just adding one #. People were selling it on ebay for a long time and I think it was a good idea to do what he did. I don't see anymore sites selling "jo blows firmware to turn a $60 router into a $600 router". The code is a fucking mess, but once you figure out how it works it all makes sense. I just wish he would post the snapshots i hate grabbing the svn its so big
i post snapshots on request. i just dont have enough space right now todo this automaticly like some months ago. but a new bigger dd-wrt.com server is already on the way _________________ "So you tried to use the computer and it started smoking? Sounds like a Mac to me.." - Louis Rossmann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL_5YDRWqGE&t=60s
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 11:07 Post subject:
kelpdip wrote:
on this subject you made the front page of digg, seems like a very negative article.
whatever, i still prefer dd-wrt.
http://digg.com/linux_unix
Nice, that article is already so old and written by db90h.
But then again, this might have a negative effect on dd-wrt since somebody dug up this article. As you can already read in those replies. _________________ Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (latest available) mega
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