Joined: 31 Jul 2021 Posts: 2146 Location: All over YOUR webs
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:32 Post subject:
saphirely wrote:
Thank all of you discussing whether the ntp server should be on ddwrt or not.
Please let me show one fact: openwrt really set the option for end-user decide whether openwrt as ntp server or not.
I agree it should be an option, and let the user's decision to enable or not, if the total increased size of firmware (except micro build) is tiny.
For most of usage, that will be benefit. For me, I always use unbound@wrt1900acs or dnscryp-dns@r6250, both of them need precious time, if need more entware then lots of easy steps, it is not convenience at all, especially on extra USB device.
OpenWRT doesnt support 2MB routers afaik and you dont have a user interface (Luci) until minimum 8MB flash.
OpenWRT has different feature sets on better devices, JFFS apparently only 5184 KiB DD-WRT uses much more than that on 128MB flash which leaves 30/32MB for DD-WRT itself and then you have around currently 34 blocks free, which means adding new features is limited.
So OpenWRT are able to offer different features OOTB.
You can also install entware and add your own NTP server to DD-WRT today, right now if you want to. Or Just move to OpenWRT you are free to do so as long as your router isnt a Broadcom, since OpenWRT only supports a few Broadcom routers badly at that due to the fact they are closed source.
There are always tradeoffs between different 3rd party firmwares, and while I cant sit here and type it will never happen, I cant say that for sure.
What I can say is that OpenWRT has many many many developers/contributors to the code side in several key areas, and DD-WR while there are some contributors to some drivers side stuff, we dont have as many contributors to other parts of the project.
SO in order to add this, there needs to be some patch, the lead developer has his plate full and then some, so these things tend to take a backseat position, perhaps in the trunk of the car or even on a trailer far behind the most pressing day to day development efforts.
OpenWRT has different feature sets on better devices-snip-So OpenWRT are able to offer different features OOTB.
OpenWRT also has an easier target-based build system that capable end-users can modify and create their own custom firmware image with all of the features that will fit within the constraints of the router's flash chip or to fit specific feature sets and purpose (i.e. Gargoyle firmware, OpenWRT community builds such as Divested, etc.). I hesitate to comment on the rest of your post, and whether or not DD-WRT switches from using (a customized) ntpclient binary to the ntpd applet from busybox makes no difference to me <shrug>
P.S. OpenWRT's Broadcom support, or lack thereof, is part of the inspiration behind the experimental drivers and experimental MIPSR1 DD-WRT builds. Or not. Just my speculation on that. _________________ "The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep." - Robert Frost
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Joined: 31 Jul 2021 Posts: 2146 Location: All over YOUR webs
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 14:27 Post subject:
I dont much care what would be the proposed, standalone or applet.
If I had to choose between NTP server and Elliptic curve support for SSH, I much rather go with the latter and not the former. Since my router only has 34 flash blocks free, 128MB divided between DD-WRT and JFFS2.
In reality there are for more benefits to a larger user base with better/more secure and faster ciphers for SSH (especially for remote management) than half a dozen users who can already install entware for some NTP server... which we already know the routers dont have a RTC and a NTP server should be accurate always under all circumstances even when WAN is not available.
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6447 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:57 Post subject:
NTP server hell no, you could have it via Entware its not a rocket science, but better cypher...hell yea...we need that much more... _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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Stubby DNS over TLS I DNSCrypt v2 by mac913
As those charming guys who originated from Scarborough, Ontario, Canada sang in a song that was released in 1998, "It's all been done...". The competition not only has adopted the use of the busybox ntpd applet vs. ntpclient, they have also added ed25519 support to dropbear. OpenWRT now by default uses https webUI access as well. Gargoyle seems to have opted to stay "behind the curve" in some aspects (1.13.x is based on the 19.07.x OpenWRT development branch). Anything is possible here, but first impressions leave a lasting mark on the direction of things where I'm concerned. _________________ "The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep." - Robert Frost
"I am one of the noticeable ones - notice me" - Dale Frances McKenzie Bozzio
Note that any package can be installed in dd-wrt router from https://archive.openwrt.org/, you just need to find the one that is compatible with your device. _________________ In use, community ISP:
1 tplink WR842ND; 2 WR741N; 3 WR740N : with DD-WRT
1 mymax WR934-BK "original" firmware
1 d-link dsl-2740e with Totolink ND300
2 Sagem F@ST2704 with OpenWrt
1 wavlink ND300
1 wrt54g
waiting:
1 wrt54g
airgrid m5 bullet