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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:48    Post subject: Unusually low speedtest for 2.4 Reply with quote
My 5 GHz band (80 MHz) has speedtest results at 200~250mbps.

However, my 2.4 GHz band (20 MHz) speedtest results are at 30~50mbps.

The router is below my desk and I'm trying this at my desk on my iPhone... 5 feet between the 2 devices.

Googling for possible solutions links to several articles all saying the same thing. They mention distance between the devices, channel, signal noise, etc. I'm not too certain how this would affect the speedtest results with the iPhone pretty much next to the router. The phone itself is clearly capable of at least 200mbps.... 30mbps at 2.4 seems ridiculous.

What else can I do?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 7:57    Post subject: Reply with quote
You are posting in the DDWRT forum this is not for Asus/Merlin firmware.

If you want to know more about DDWRT see the forum guidelines with helpful pointers about how to research your router, where and what firmware to download, where and how to post and many other helpful tips:
https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=324087

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:26    Post subject: Re: Unusually low speedtest for 2.4 Reply with quote
P A U L wrote:
What else can I do?
Install DD-WRT on your Asus RT-AC68U, and come back here if you still have the question Mr. Green

EDIT: I have no idea how to install DD-WRT on Asus RT-AC68U, luckily many experts take over from there Mr. Green

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 14:46    Post subject: Re: Unusually low speedtest for 2.4 Reply with quote
P A U L wrote:
30mbps at 2.4 seems ridiculous.

Depends on what the setup is and what rate is set at on your router.

I have the same router and the 2.4Mhz radio is set at 600 Mbit/s with NG-Mixed, but nowt all clients will support that, my slowest device on 2.4 band connects at TX 72M RX 72M and gets around 31.63Mbps

Also yea, rmerlin is not DD-WRT.

Take care now.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 18:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
the-joker wrote:
rmerlin is not DD-WRT.

Oh...oops.

IONK wrote:
P A U L wrote:
What else can I do?
Install DD-WRT on your Asus RT-AC68U, and come back here if you still have the question Mr. Green

I tried and almost bricked the router. Took me several hours trying to restore it back to..err...Merlin. The only options I found were pointing to installing BrainSlayer then Kong, but Kong stopped development years ago, and whatever "recent" versions I was able to find from the last surviving guide, led to a failed...update.


Upon factory restore of the router... its default settings still would not give my iPhone speedtest results greater than 50 (@2.4GHz).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 19:10    Post subject: Reply with quote
The device wiki could use some help, indeed: https://forum.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Asus_RT-AC68U

@the-joker: Since you own this router, if you could find the time to do a write-up for me, that would be super!

A couple of things common to most Asus routers is flashing via recovery method using firmware restoration utility / mini cfe webserver.

"Recent releases" is not specific and highly relative, and given the context, it seems these were old releases that may have been problematic, anyway. Current release is 47822.

@P A U L: Feel free to link whatever information you used to help me find it quicker so we can get this wiki in shape!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 19:14    Post subject: Reply with quote
The best speed you can expect out of 2.4G on that router with dd-wrt configured as "NG-Mixed" is between 60-70Mbps at near range. If you move away from the router, the best you can expect with 2.4 is about 35-40Mbps, depending on your surroundings. With 5Ghz, I get near ISP speed. (only at close range)

BTW, r47822 seems to be a pretty stable build. I have updated all of my routers, but have not posted in the build thread - yet.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 19:24    Post subject: Reply with quote
@kp, I could help out as well, as I have flashed the routers I have about 100 times with different firmwares ranging from dd, freshtomato, merlin, and stock Asus builds.

I'll have to take some time to get my thoughts together and then contribute to the Wiki.


kernel-panic69 wrote:
The device wiki could use some help, indeed: https://forum.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Asus_RT-AC68U

@the-joker: Since you own this router, if you could find the time to do a write-up for me, that would be super!

A couple of things common to most Asus routers is flashing via recovery method using firmware restoration utility / mini cfe webserver.

"Recent releases" is not specific and highly relative, and given the context, it seems these were old releases that may have been problematic, anyway. Current release is 47822.

@P A U L: Feel free to link whatever information you used to help me find it quicker so we can get this wiki in shape!

Danke

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 19:26    Post subject: Reply with quote
@MysticGold04: Thank you, sir, that would be awesome!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 20:08    Post subject: Reply with quote
MysticGold04 wrote:
@kp, I could help out as well, as I have flashed the routers I have about 100 times with different firmwares ranging from dd, freshtomato, merlin, and stock Asus builds.

I'll have to take some time to get my thoughts together and then contribute to the Wiki.


Thank you for your efforts, any assistance is greatly appreciated.

Take care.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 21:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
kernel-panic69 wrote:
@P A U L: Feel free to link whatever information you used to help me find it quicker so we can get this wiki in shape!

I started with this link
https://forum.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Asus_RT-AC68U

^In that page, under Links to verified firmware it mentions:

KONG BUILDS: Link to Kong Builds. Download dd-wrt.v24-K3_AC_ARM_STD.bin
http://www.desipro.de/ddwrt/K3-AC-Arm/
This link is dead.

This site suggests to install BrainSlayer first, then Kong
https://alphaev7.com/2016/03/install-dd-wrt-asus-rt-ac68u-or-supported-routers/
Links on this page are dead.

It also mentions Merlin Firmware (https://asuswrt.lostrealm.ca). So seeing how that page listed year 2021 files I installed it thinking Merlin was DD-WRT by a different name/provider/developer.


After creating this thread here, I tried to figure out how I can get BrainSlayer and Kong onto my router instead. I started Googling around hoping the last known files are collecting dust attached to a forum post somewhere.

Back to the first link, under Good Additional Resources it mentions:

Discussion / review of DD-WRT and Merlin Firmware on a RT-AC68U
http://elatov.github.io/2014/11/dd-wrt-on-asus-rt-ac68u-router/
It contained a mirror link to what I believed was Kong's last known version.
http://dd-wrt.tweakedrom.com/Kong_PTB/K3-AC/

^That page also linked to yet another page (https://miketabor.com/installing-dd-wrt-asus-rt-ac66u-router/) which contained a mirror link to BrainSlayer's file.
https://miketabor.com/router/dd-wrt/rt-ac66u/dd-wrt-25648-Asus_RT-AC66U.zip


My router as-is, under Merlin, would not let me install BrainSlayer or Kong. So I used ASUS' Firmware Restoration tool to try and force it in. Bricked. However, with the Firmware Restoration tool I was able to restore it to Merlin...though it took several attempts and several hours.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 21:12    Post subject: Reply with quote
MysticGold04 wrote:
The best speed you can expect out of 2.4G on that router with dd-wrt configured as "NG-Mixed" is between 60-70Mbps at near range.

Wait. What? Why? For Merlin, I have the 2.4 option for "N-Only" which I expected it to be capable of 300 Mbps.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 21:20    Post subject: Reply with quote
The tweakedrom link is not a good one, at least not in that directory, as no image in there supports the RT-AC68* devices. Since all of the builds in that repo are antique, I wouldn't even bother with them. I have not seen this "jheide44" character on the forums since 2018, anyway, but apparently he rolls his own builds(?). His main page is outdated, to say the least. The alphaev7 link is outdated and contains outdated information regarding 'erase nvram', etc. Most 3rd party how-to's are not updated, whatsoever, and generally should be avoided. As noted above, we will work on fixing the official wiki. Thanks for the info, I may make note of it in some form at some point in the wiki.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 21:28    Post subject: Reply with quote
@P A U L

You use 20Mhz channel width with 3 spatial streams (MIMO 3x3) and a modulation of 256-QAM and you can achieve a maximum data rate of 288Mbit.

Mind you with 3 antennas and this is the PHY rate and not the actual throughput.

With a client with 2 antennas 173.3 Mbit (144.4 without Turbo-QAM)
The actual measured throughput is much lower (about half).
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 13:13    Post subject: Reply with quote
kernel-panic69 wrote:
The device wiki could use some help, indeed: https://forum.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Asus_RT-AC68U

@the-joker: Since you own this router, if you could find the time to do a write-up for me, that would be super!

A couple of things common to most Asus routers is flashing via recovery method using firmware restoration utility / mini cfe webserver.

"Recent releases" is not specific and highly relative, and given the context, it seems these were old releases that may have been problematic, anyway. Current release is 47822.


I would love an updated guide. Seems many people are successfully running dd-wrt on AC68U and I'm missing out. When I try to install the linked 47822 through my Merlin GUI, it won't let me. I'm afraid if I try and force it in through the Firmware Restoration tool I'm gonna end up soft bricking my router again.

Looking forward to the updates!
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