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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 21:43 Post subject:
What I don't understand is; how many hours, make that days are involved to modify firmware for not just one but for all the models, then document it for the developers notes & reference?
Then don't publish those changes (which would take minutes).
Joined: 08 May 2018 Posts: 14246 Location: Texas, USA
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:49 Post subject:
ho1Aetoo wrote:
these changes are all fully commented in the svn
why doing work twice?
if you don't understand the commit messages then you don't understand a summarized version of it
Why yes, I've seen commit messages that say something along the lines of, "updated patch to this to fix that" in more specific terms. Seriously.... many of the commit messages are vague unless you know what is going on. But, just so folks know, the first time this was asked a couple of years ago, well.... the only way I am going to pick up where KrypteX left off is if I'm given access to update his work. Otherwise, I may add it in a build thread release post, or not. I'm done discussing these kinds of things with certain folks' attitudes. _________________ "Life is but a fleeting moment, a vapor that vanishes quickly; All is vanity"
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Joined: 22 Aug 2009 Posts: 267 Location: New York State
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:14 Post subject:
ho1Aetoo wrote:
these changes are all fully commented in the svn
why doing work twice?
if you don't understand the commit messages then you don't understand a summarized version of it
That SVN might be typed in Greek.
The summary as it was presented in that thread that stopped 4 years ago was no way the same as the 'criptic' version.
As far as "twice", it wouldn't be if it was done in the Kings English in the 1st place, not 'geek' talk.
First, changelogs are unusual for nightly builds - nobody does the work anyway
second, you will see it will not be long before the first ones come and ask what this and that means
it does more work than it helps
is just my personal opinion
if you think that makes sense - nobody will stop you
You're quite assuming. So, you're saying people besides you are basically stupid idiots? His changelog isn't that difficult to follow, but it could include more than the last 3 numbers of the commit / revision. On another note, Git is so much easier to do things with than Subversion. And we could likely move on to more industry-standard version numbering. But let's just keep doing it the way we've been doing it since inception, anyway. I am not bitching about the revision control, but it is slightly masochistic to me to use an outdated and non-standard RCS. Oh, and to complete my thoughts, if I had access, it would be mostly a copy and paste to update the changelogs that KrypteX started, but I would rather just add something to the build release post to include what actually was done since the previous build. Not going to happen right away, if at all, though. _________________ "Life is but a fleeting moment, a vapor that vanishes quickly; All is vanity"
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3. Believe it or not I have been building firmware images myself for years and know how the users tick
and i also know that changelogs for nightlys are bullshit
4. two posts above you have an example of how the users tick "everything is cryptic anyway"
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 15:14 Post subject:
ho1Aetoo wrote:
unlike you, i don't call anyone stupid or silly
for you it's part of the standard vocabulary
You just did, indirectly.
ho1Aetoo wrote:
2.you are always upset when users ask inappropriate questions
No, I just can't believe that with all the (searchable) information posted about topics, people still don't grasp things. Sometimes, you have to read through a lot of information, even, and people still can't seem to apply the information given. I myself wind up confused and frustrated sometimes because of all of the garbage in a thread. This stems from my Linux mentor always pushing the RTFM answer on me when I had questions, even though there were times he would give me "hints" - not answers, HINTS. I guess this kind of helped evolve how I learned many things over the course of time. These days, people have no clue about the LDP, man pages, or anything that has existed for quite some time (as seen by posts on stackexchange, etc.). Everyone wants a YouTube or Wiki or people to re-type out the information yet another million times when it's already posted somewhere. I guess I'm just tired of laziness. Call me old, grumpy, and set in my ways.
ho1Aetoo wrote:
3. Believe it or not I have been building firmware images myself for years and know how the users tick
and i also know that changelogs for nightlys are bullshit
Ever develop your own Linux distribution from the ground up? Or contributed to it? I won't throw names out there. While you have your opinion and experiences, I also have mine. The industry has become lazy in some respects, but in others, not so much. It isn't so difficult to properly document development unless obfuscation by default is your modus de operandi. Which is the case here. Obfuscate, obfuscate, obfuscate. Because this open-source project might be stolen without permission. Welp, the only way to rectify that is to take your repository completely offline and make it closed-source. You can't half-ass follow the GPL and then expect everyone to follow it to the letter. That is complete nonsense.
ho1Aetoo wrote:
4. two posts above you have an example of how the users tick "everything is cryptic anyway"
Because development is half-ass documented and kept obfuscated by default. People want some kind of layman's-comprehendable information (that is how users tick). Not everyone here is a programmer or developer (or a German male). I sometimes forget that myself. But you're just defaulting to the "users have no glue" mentality. That is complete rubbish. Anyhow, I probably shouldn't have wasted the time with this reply on you. Because it's probably in violation of one of the forum rules, and I shouldn't do that. But everyone else is doing it, so why not. _________________ "Life is but a fleeting moment, a vapor that vanishes quickly; All is vanity"
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