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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 20:55    Post subject: Reply with quote
I forgot about the revert file being in the gakinaction repo.

I also do not know what builds #'s are listed there, I could make an educated guess for some going by the date.

At this point in time I do not think it matters much.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 14:38    Post subject: Reply with quote
So now what? Will we migrate to OpenWRT?
Personally I am considering after 5+ years on DD-WRT to give OpenWRT a try and follow Kong (cheers mate). I have made a lot of tunings on my router all these years, as most of us, and probably this will be a painfully procedure. On the other side I love DD-WRT and its community, this is making the switch even harder...
I would be glad to hear from anyone of you guys your thoughts.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 15:56    Post subject: Reply with quote
For now I will stay on DDWRT and hope and expect that BS will sort out the (latency) issues, he has made steps already.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 16:05    Post subject: Reply with quote
t81 wrote:
So now what? Will we migrate to OpenWRT?
Personally I am considering after 5+ years on DD-WRT to give OpenWRT a try and follow Kong (cheers mate). I have made a lot of tunings on my router all these years, as most of us, and probably this will be a painfully procedure. On the other side I love DD-WRT and its community, this is making the switch even harder...
I would be glad to hear from anyone of you guys your thoughts.


Based on some of the latest tweaks BS has made, I see no performance advantage of "KongPro" vs dd-wrt. Plus Luci is a P.I.T.A. and really requires the user to know a lot more technically about settings and what they do, not that dd-wrt isn't daunting either sometimes...

My performance evaluation between the two shows that dd-wrt is running slightly better now with qos tweaks BS made vs the latest KongPro 9-6-19 build.

https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1175923#1175923

https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1175944#1175944

There are other reasons to want to run KongPro, but for my needs, I have no reason to make the switch permanent. Others may like the package modularity for their specific needs. I would say for 80%+ dd-wrt will suit them fine. For the ultra nerd/control freak OpenWrt offers more ease to add specific things.

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t81
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 17:04    Post subject: Reply with quote
msoengineer wrote:
t81 wrote:
So now what? Will we migrate to OpenWRT?
Personally I am considering after 5+ years on DD-WRT to give OpenWRT a try and follow Kong (cheers mate). I have made a lot of tunings on my router all these years, as most of us, and probably this will be a painfully procedure. On the other side I love DD-WRT and its community, this is making the switch even harder...
I would be glad to hear from anyone of you guys your thoughts.


Based on some of the latest tweaks BS has made, I see no performance advantage of "KongPro" vs dd-wrt. Plus Luci is a P.I.T.A. and really requires the user to know a lot more technically about settings and what they do, not that dd-wrt isn't daunting either sometimes...

My performance evaluation between the two shows that dd-wrt is running slightly better now with qos tweaks BS made vs the latest KongPro 9-6-19 build.

https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1175923#1175923

https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1175944#1175944

There are other reasons to want to run KongPro, but for my needs, I have no reason to make the switch permanent. Others may like the package modularity for their specific needs. I would say for 80%+ dd-wrt will suit them fine. For the ultra nerd/control freak OpenWrt offers more ease to add specific things.


Thanks for the info.
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There are other reasons to want to run KongPro

Can you mention some plz? I always used Kong builds. My current firmware is v3.0-r40270M kongat (07/11/19)
Also do I need to reset settings in order to flush BS? I suppose I have to.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 22:40    Post subject: Reply with quote
t81 wrote:
Can you mention some plz? I always used Kong builds. My current firmware is v3.0-r40270M kongat (07/11/19)
Also do I need to reset settings in order to flush BS? I suppose I have to.


If you go from Kong to BS, it's advisable to reset to factory settings when making the switch over. There's been a lot of recent changes that are big and could cause issues if you don't.

As far as OpenWRT-If you have to ask, then honestly there's no reason to make the switch...Going to OpenWRT with LuCi as the GUI is not for the novice/casual user or for "I just need "better" q.o.s." BS has overcome some of the gripes of qos... My very casual testing between the two reveals that there's not a huge reason to move to openwrt for my casual use/needs.

You go to OpenWRT because you are doing many complex things with your router like several VLAN's, parental control through modules/packages, ad-blocking through modules/packages, hotspot through modules/packages, etc. This modularity is nice if you have knowledge of coding and are willing to take the tons of time to teach yourself command line interface commands. This is not for the casual user.

OpenWrt provides a totally customizable platform where others can then build packages onto. This is exactly what Kong has done for his own purposes in "KongPro". He likes it because it was "easier" to integrate the packages he wanted. Kong is not the average user nor base case. He's generous to share his personal build with all of us.

He cherry picked the modules/packages for specific tasks he's doing, some of which are mentioned above.
Many people may want to use the same modules/features he does. I am not sure if there is a concise list of all the packages he chose to incorporate, but I do know he has a folder with a laundry list of packages you can load. If you want to know more...you need to read around our forums and/or someone else can chime in....

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 23:30    Post subject: Reply with quote
msoengineer wrote:

If you go from Kong to BS, it's advisable to reset to factory settings when making the switch over. There's been a lot of recent changes that are big and could cause issues if you don't.....


When you say reset to factory settings, you mean flash netgear firmware, then flash BS build?
I'm considering switching to BS builds.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 23:48    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why do you want a Kong OpenWrt?
For me it was just a low latency reason and stable releases. 
BS builds are really bad on my 500+ Internet with B or even B- bufferbloat and you newer know if it works but Kong OpenWrt is always A+ and rock solid already.
The cake qos is bad everywhere for 400+ Internet and not really optimized but OpenWRT SQM  with fc-codel is pretty good.
There is also OpenWRT Hnyman r7800 build and i will try later to compare.

The UI on OpenWRT is awful and complicated but if you will need just a standard router or AP you will find it there with some learning curve

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:32    Post subject: Reply with quote
Switching to BS builds from Kong requires some kind of hard reset (30/30/30) or just reseting to defaults and upgrading from UI will do the job?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
yep will do the job...!!

otherwise via telnet/ssh

nvram erase && reboot

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t81
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 17:10    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alozaros wrote:
yep will do the job...!!

otherwise via telnet/ssh

nvram erase && reboot


Connected PC to Ethernet port, changed ip to 192.168.1.2,
started pinging192.168.1.1, unplugged - plugged router and when started receiving 128ms ping time tried to flash with tftp2.exe on Win7 with no luck.
How to proceed?

UPDATE: flashing through CLI did the job
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 17:38    Post subject: Reply with quote
t81 wrote:
Alozaros wrote:
yep will do the job...!!

otherwise via telnet/ssh

nvram erase && reboot


Connected PC to Ethernet port, changed ip to 192.168.1.2,
started pinging192.168.1.1, unplugged - plugged router and when started receiving 128ms ping time tried to flash with tftp2.exe on Win7 with no luck.
How to proceed?

UPDATE: flashing through CLI did the job


For the future, you need to get the R7800 in TFTP mode first...this is not like the old broadcom days and peacock thread....


To get the router in TFTP mode:

Start with the router off.

1-plug the Ethernet code between laptop/desktop and Wan. If you don't plug it into the wan port and try using a lan port I found that the router doesn't want to enter into tftp mode.I believe you have about 5 minutes before this mode times out and then boots the router back to normal operation.

2-find something that can push in the reset button and hold down the reset button and power on the router. Keep holding down the reset button as the router boots up.

3-watch the power LED, it will flash orange six times, or so, and then it should start to flash White. Once it starts flashing white you can release the reset button and then you can push the IMG file via TFTP.

I'm clearly ignoring all the steps you need to take to make sure that you have tftp set up the right way:
https://kb.netgear.com/000059633/How-to-upload-firmware-to-a-NETGEAR-router-using-TFTP-client

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t81
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 19:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thank you very much. This is very useful info.
BTW even though the new build (r41027 std, is this a BS build???) states that I can find DNSCRYPT under Services, it is not there. Do you have this option?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:13    Post subject: Reply with quote
t81 wrote:
Thank you very much. This is very useful info.
BTW even though the new build (r41027 std, is this a BS build???) states that I can find DNSCRYPT under Services, it is not there. Do you have this option?


DNSCRYPT is gone, the source got EOL'd.
https://svn.dd-wrt.com/search?q=DNSCRYPT

see this...
https://forum.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1172544#1172544

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[R9000]45778 nightly (Main Router)
[EA8500]43192 & 45493 (2xOffsite)
[R7800]napping
[WDR3600]BS 44715 (Offsite)
[A7v5]BS 43038 (Offsite+spare napping)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:00    Post subject: Reply with quote
hmmm... on all builds DNSCrypt GUI is removed...
on last Kong builds, DNScrypt 1.95 module is still present, but have to be called via CLI script...
otherwise, you can add DNSCrypt via entware and use
v2 instead...

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TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ---DD-WRT 46316 BS AP,NAT,AP Isolation,Ad-Block,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT,VPN,VLAN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 ---DD-WRT 46166 BS AP,NAT,AD/Block,Firewall,Local DNS,Forced DNS,DoT,VPN,VLAN
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Broadcom
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