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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 16:36    Post subject: Push for Cake QOS Reply with quote
Would anyone else like to see the implementation of CAKE QOS?

I know I would, but I don't think that enough of us are pushing for it.

I also don't know how big of a P.I.T.A it would be to implement which may explain why we don't have it as an option.

The purpose of this post is to see if anyone else really wants CAKE QOS and push BS and Kong to implement it.

Maybe we need to take up a donation?

I'm open to suggestions and ideas.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:29    Post subject: Reply with quote
tried no one seems to care. on top of that there is something wrong with ipq806x on k4.9+ that affects qos on top of that, adding latency. from what i see no one really knows, i see no fix attempts anywhere on any linux site or forum, i dont even see mentions of it besides my own posts

http://svn.dd-wrt.com/ticket/5796
http://svn.dd-wrt.com/ticket/5896

brainslayer's history doesnt exactly point to qos maintenance either.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 13:48    Post subject: QoS Reply with quote
I would also like CAKE as well as any QoS overhaul.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 14:35    Post subject: Reply with quote
OpenWRT (LEDE) uses Cake and based on my experiences with on running on my R7800, its implementation is very good.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 21:08    Post subject: Reply with quote
QOS is very important and i fully support this.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:35    Post subject: Reply with quote
CAKE shaper looks impressive, would be great to have it dd-wrt.
https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/attachments/150817135028_cake-battlemesh-v8.pdf

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
now to convince brainslayer...and convincing him of anything is extremely hard, and takes a long time. if anyone wants to bump the cake tickets..
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we just do it since we do not like any restrictions enforced by stupid cocaine snorting managers

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 10:05    Post subject: Reply with quote
labo wrote:
CAKE shaper looks impressive, would be great to have it dd-wrt.
https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/attachments/150817135028_cake-battlemesh-v8.pdf


Well it is easy to get impressive results if you compare it to a broken fq_codel. Thing is, only dd-wrt has a working fq_codel implementation at the moment, all others including openwrt ship fq_codel with wrong rate calculation, you have to thank tatsuya46 for constantly nagging as otherwise I wouldn't have found this. There was a change in early 3.x kernels that broken fq_codel and it has been broken since then, but not in dd-wrt:-)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 19:00    Post subject: Reply with quote
tatsuya46 wrote:
now to convince brainslayer...and convincing him of anything is extremely hard, and takes a long time. if anyone wants to bump the cake tickets..


I guess, BS is now fully into integrating Gateworks products into dd-wrt Smile
I see in last few weeks no other major bugs fixed except the NTP fixes Sad

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 19:16    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:
labo wrote:
CAKE shaper looks impressive, would be great to have it dd-wrt.
https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/attachments/150817135028_cake-battlemesh-v8.pdf


Well it is easy to get impressive results if you compare it to a broken fq_codel. Thing is, only dd-wrt has a working fq_codel implementation at the moment, all others including openwrt ship fq_codel with wrong rate calculation, you have to thank tatsuya46 for constantly nagging as otherwise I wouldn't have found this. There was a change in early 3.x kernels that broken fq_codel and it has been broken since then, but not in dd-wrt:-)


@Kong, We all appreciative of the current QOS functionality as it is working, but there is more scope for improvement...
All we look for now is a take it up a notch approach Smile

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 21:59    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:
labo wrote:
CAKE shaper looks impressive, would be great to have it dd-wrt.
https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/attachments/150817135028_cake-battlemesh-v8.pdf


Well it is easy to get impressive results if you compare it to a broken fq_codel. Thing is, only dd-wrt has a working fq_codel implementation at the moment, all others including openwrt ship fq_codel with wrong rate calculation, you have to thank tatsuya46 for constantly nagging as otherwise I wouldn't have found this. There was a change in early 3.x kernels that broken fq_codel and it has been broken since then, but not in dd-wrt:-)


submit it to upstream kernels?

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BrainSlayer wrote:
we just do it since we do not like any restrictions enforced by stupid cocaine snorting managers

[x86_64] Haswell i3-4150/QCA9984/QCA9882 ------> r55488 std
[QUALCOMM] DIR-862L --------------------------------> r55460 std
▲ ACTIVE / INACTIVE ▼
[QUALCOMM] WNDR4300 v1 --------------------------> r50485 std
[BROADCOM] DIR-860L A1 ----------------------------> r50485 std


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 17:17    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:
There was a change in early 3.x kernels that broken fq_codel and it has been broken since then, but not in dd-wrt:-)


im guessing u already checked that this fix didnt get reverted in k4.9+ & isnt the cause of it's doubled latency?

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BrainSlayer wrote:
we just do it since we do not like any restrictions enforced by stupid cocaine snorting managers

[x86_64] Haswell i3-4150/QCA9984/QCA9882 ------> r55488 std
[QUALCOMM] DIR-862L --------------------------------> r55460 std
▲ ACTIVE / INACTIVE ▼
[QUALCOMM] WNDR4300 v1 --------------------------> r50485 std
[BROADCOM] DIR-860L A1 ----------------------------> r50485 std


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 17:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
So, It seems the difference B/W fq_codel and cake won't be worth it in DD-WRT as opposed to OpenWRT/LEDE since they only saw better performance from cake because of the bad implementation of fq_codel from their side.

From what I've been reading, It seems the state of how well QOS works and what is broken and what depends on the kernel.
How is QOS in DD-WRT in Kernal 3.XX (My router = 841n v9) Is it majorly broken?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 17:51    Post subject: Reply with quote
k3.x is "fine" (its got its large list of issues but about the double latency i said, its free of that)

cake still at least looks better, & the reduced cpu usage it apparently has too should alone make it worth it.. its also said to be more fair when a connection starts spawning more and more connections

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BrainSlayer wrote:
we just do it since we do not like any restrictions enforced by stupid cocaine snorting managers

[x86_64] Haswell i3-4150/QCA9984/QCA9882 ------> r55488 std
[QUALCOMM] DIR-862L --------------------------------> r55460 std
▲ ACTIVE / INACTIVE ▼
[QUALCOMM] WNDR4300 v1 --------------------------> r50485 std
[BROADCOM] DIR-860L A1 ----------------------------> r50485 std


Sigh.. why do i exist anyway.. | I love you Anthony.. never forget that.. my other 99% that ill never see again..

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2018 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote
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